by minimus 152 Replies latest jw friends
it means I can't explain to you something that has to be learned and experienced....that's all...and if I tried, you'd still never get it, perhaps it's your age, but that's ok, because I thought I had all the answers back then....I never realized how very ignorant I really was. I guess in many ways you remind me of 'me'....so good luck on your journey to life's many questions and finding your very own answers.
with much love and respect...g'nite love.
I say that if you are against abortions then don't have one. Buy that stupid condom and use it for pete's sake!
I am against because it involves destroyng a life albeit in an as yet unconscious state
Im not making an argument with this post but clarifying a very misunderstood fact that not all abortions are commited on unconscience fetus's. They are carried out as late as nine months! I dont know if my earlier post was invisible to everyone but I already stated this well know fact.
Albeit in an as yet unconscience state! Tell that to the nine month old dying in a chamber not being fed or given any fluids, screaming to death as nurses walk by and ignore it. We treat criminals better! Least they get lethal injection and its over in a matter of minutes. Some babys lie dying for over a week, how is this humane?
Ticker
Not for it. Don't think USA should go back to banning it though. Would rather see better help programs and adoption choices for mothers in dilemma. Think sex education of boys and girls in USA falls dreadfully short.
Whilst I would not have the right to coerce others in their choices - I stand that morality dictates this to be a wrongful taking of life.
Jeff
I was faced with this decision in 1997 with my 6th child. On his 16 week ultrasound he was diagnosed as having a large cystic hygroma. It was a huge sack of lymphatic fluid which was septated (a more deadly form). I was told the baby would not live, and if he did, he would have severe handicaps such as heart defects, liver defects, chromosomal abnormalities, etc.
I was not a very active dub at the time, but opted to "let nature take its course."
I am happy to say, I have a beatiful, loving little boy who totally beat the odds. He's mildly mentally challenged (an IQ of 69), but is an amazing kid, who brings us joy every day. He has no other defects. I'm so glad I didn't make a different choice.
That having been said, though, I believe that people faced with the likelihood their child will be born with a defect be allowed to make this sort of choice. I also believe there are situations where termination of pregnancy is appropriate for some individuals.
I don't believe people should use abortion as a form of birth control. One of our patients just had her 5th abortion in 6 years. One of her pregnancies was terminated at 26 weeks, for which she had to go to the United States to have, as she was too far along to have it done here. This really bothers me.
Rose
As much suffering and pain and death befalls real people (people with personalities, interest, friends, family, etc etc), I just can't summon up any passion for people-who-simply-never-where.
The truth is, if any of us had been aborted, no one would miss us. No one. Simple non-existance is horrifying to us individually, but when it happens, and it happens millions of times every day, no one notices. No one.
Interesting perspective six...no-one but the carrier of that potential child that is. Whether we like it or not, us women cannnot erase the knowledge that at one point in time we may have become a mother to a child. It's not so much relevant whether or not that child could be defined through their personality, their interests, friends etc (as you say), to the mother it's the very fact that post abortion that we will never know who they were that stays in your psyche your whole life.
Fortunately I've never been in a position where I've been forced to make such a choice, but I guess it's not really luck in this respect, just common sense, and absolute paranoia about being forced to make a decision I know might not be able to cope with at later stages in my life.
I know for a fact that women who choose to, for medical reasons or otherwise, are very often emotionally traumatised/scarred by the experience. It's a highly unnatural thing for your body to prepare to have a child, and then to loose that child either through misscariage, or a consensual abortion. For this reason I believe that every woman should analise her feelings on the subject well and truly before she is ever confronted with the altimatum, to keep or no to keep. My opinion is that if we were truly honest with ourselves and assessed fully the long-term repercussions of such a decision, most of us would not go through with it.
As far as being pro-choice goes, well I am absolutely that. Prohibition doesn't solves anything. In middle-eastern countries where abortion is illegal women are forced to resort to horrible means to abort unplanned pregnancies often with horrific consequences. The Jeanies been out of the bottle for centuries, there's no going back now. More effort and education should rather be put into preventing the majority of abortions being necessary. My honest opinion is that for most women in the world who have access to contraception, there is very little excuse.
So, I get back to the fact that at the heart of it we are all animals, and our instincts/desires all too often prompt us to act against our better judgement when it comes to sex. Our seeds want to be sowen, and as our pregnancy prevention methods become more refined, it (the inner pro-creative animal) relies on lapses in our better judgement, to get the job done. Why else would people risk contracting STD's, unwanted pregnancies and the associated financial/emotional trauma that comes with all of that?
As for the comments on rape victims being a general exception to the rule. If more women felt comfortable enough to come forward that they had been raped, they can get access to the necessary drugs to prevent any conception from taking place (highly successful within 72hours of sex).
Frog whose paranoid about boys tadpoles classx
I am against abortion. It is a crime against the murdered child and a violent act against women.
Jeff S.
Jeff Schwem, it is your opinion that it is a crime. Your statement is also made with inflammatory words intact, I see, and no actual argument other than an emotional outburst.
I am sure you must have your reasons for believing this way, I am assuming it is because of the dictates of your Catholic faith.
There are many thoughtful answers here, as there tend to be on these threads. Very little use of the word "murder," or the words "crime" and "violence." Impressive.
I am Pro-Choice. I will not ever endorse a law that legislates mandatory carrying of a child to term no matter the circumstances. However, I am NOT "FOR" abortion. This expression offends me. "Are you for or against Walmart in your neighborhood?" is an okay question. You either want Walmart there, or you don't want Walmart there. Are you FOR or AGAINST abortion, however, is not a good question. No one, unless they are very, very warped WANTS to have an abortion. It's a choice made to mitigate other bad choices or circumstances. Though it's not a happy choice, it is a right that the Supreme Court has granted to women. The right to not be required to incubate another human in their body against their will. And I would never be in favor of a law that said they must do so.
Who is more likely to have an abortion a rich or well to do person or a person of little means?
After giving it a little thought, I'd have to say a well to do person, as they will usually have the means to handle that type of proceedure. Medical coverage as well as the coverage to save face because of the view as to being a mistake. Also their desire to maintain their comfortable existence without having the added burden of bringing a child into the world.
What say you, Mercurious?
