I haven't been to a meeting (other than the Memorial) in the last 4 years. Before that, when I was taking my father to the meetings, I would take a Spanish Bible with me and look up all scriptures with the goal of learning at least ten new Spanish words every meeting. That way I could look attentive while I was doing something constructive. It still wan't easy, but I was trying to keep him happy. Didn't matter, the rest of the family informed him of my "doubts" and I won't go into the rest.
Bonnie_Clyde
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How Do People Like Sir 82 & Others Who Are Active JWs Do It ???
by minimus ini appreciate any who tell us what the latest co's talk is about or what was said at the meetings.
i just don't know how you can do it.
knowing that the "truth" is false and even laughable, it boggles my mind that you can still go, listen to the spiritual bullshit and maintain.. how do you do it?.
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Fred Franz' speaking style
by Eiben Scrood inin an act of pure self-masochism, i listened to this talk:.
http://www.archive.org/details/whatisthesignficanceof1975.
his manner of speaking is so aggravating!
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Bonnie_Clyde
I remember being over-awed by him as a teenager. I thought that someday I would acquire enough wisdom to understand him. Didn't realize it was all BS.
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How did 1975 effect your family? here's mine...
by Aussie Oz ini just spent a few days with my dad.
i asked a few questions about the time when mum became a witness which i know is still, 38 years later, a painful thing for him to talk about.
in the course of it, he also learned some stuff that he did not know about the pressures of the times.. as i expected, mum and dad have different versions of this time, and it is pretty hard to find the real truth in it and in some ways it does not matter anymore.. mums version: she first was contacted in echuca late 1960s and dad put a stop to it.
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Bonnie_Clyde
If you were older than 6 or 7 you heard this week after week, meeting after meeting, assembly after assembly, circuit overseer after circuit overseer.
You're right about that. Our son remembers that when he was age 7 (1974) his 9-year old sister told him she wanted to get baptized before 1975 because the end was coming. Recently, he reminded her of that and she denied it. The 1975 issue is one of the reasons my daughter has cut Clyde and me off. I dared to mention it to her a few years ago, and she claims it never happened. She has been one of the victims of a malady that has spread throughout the organization called "collective amnesia."
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Setting up trust any suggestions on how to handle our JW daughter?
by Bonnie_Clyde inwe set up a trust a few years ago but have an appointment with our attorney later this month to make sure it is current and make any changes necessary.
originally we had our daughter and our two sons to share equally.
now i feel that it should not be equal.
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Bonnie_Clyde
Flipper I want to let you know that I always enjoyed your posts and your insignt. I've noticed before that our circumstances are very similar--except you have two daughters instead of one in the cult, and I have two sons instead of one who got out.
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Setting up trust any suggestions on how to handle our JW daughter?
by Bonnie_Clyde inwe set up a trust a few years ago but have an appointment with our attorney later this month to make sure it is current and make any changes necessary.
originally we had our daughter and our two sons to share equally.
now i feel that it should not be equal.
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Bonnie_Clyde
I've heard some excellent suggestions. I think the best one is to email her and ask her what she wants us to do. I'll ask Clyde's opinion on this first.
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Setting up trust any suggestions on how to handle our JW daughter?
by Bonnie_Clyde inwe set up a trust a few years ago but have an appointment with our attorney later this month to make sure it is current and make any changes necessary.
originally we had our daughter and our two sons to share equally.
now i feel that it should not be equal.
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We set up a trust a few years ago but have an appointment with our attorney later this month to make sure it is current and make any changes necessary. Originally we had our daughter and our two sons to share equally. Now I feel that it should not be equal. The last time Clyde or I saw or had a conversation with her was on the day my father was buried three years ago even though she lives only ten miles away. (Neither Clyde or I are DF’d). She does not answer phone calls, emails or letters. I also make sure to send her an anniversary card every year. She sent a rather cryptic email to our youngest son who invited her to his wedding last year about “marrying only in the lord.” No congratulations.
Sometimes I get very upset about this. Also, the way I was treated before my father passed away. I had been his Power of Attorney, and she and her husband (plus my brother and cousin) convinced him to remove me. All of a sudden I was an outsider because I had dared the question the big “O” in a very brief conversation back in 2005—this despite the fact that I spent almost seven years helping my father with the care of my invalid mother when they and the rest of the congregation mostly looked the other way.
Other days, I try to understand. I remind myself that I have to share a bit of the blame. In my late teens, I was largely responsible for my father becoming a witness—he often spoke of the good example I set for him and that’s why he became a witness. Of course, I trained my daughter to be a good witness to. I dutifully shunned people who weren’t a good example in the congregation. I would often comment on how important this was so that these people would see the error of their way.
Clyde has often spoken of how we need to show forgiveness, and sometimes I agree. Then I think of our two sons who have been wonderful. They and their families have been very loving. One son lives out of state but comes to visit three or four times a year and calls us regularly. When we are with them, we can talk about any subject without being “judged.” On the other hand, our daughter will run to the elders any time she hears something she doesn’t like. She tried to get Clyde in trouble about four years ago—won’t go into detail now.
We are starting our list of questions for the attorney this week. I think Clyde wants to be a little more lenient than I do. My feeling is, yes, let her have a little bit, but I personally feel that our sons are the ones who should be rewarded most—not her. Clyde and I have not discussed this aspect yet but will have to in the next few days and I also want to respect his wishes.
It’s hard to describe my feelings toward my daughter. I believe I have the normal feelings that any mother would have, but now it’s mostly sadness—that she is so completely locked into that awful cult.
Any advice?
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Do you Know of any JW Pedophiles who Currently Go Out in Service ?
by flipper inmy wife suggested this thread and i agree it's a good idea to put this out here to find out.
just wanted to give her credit for the idea.. most of the public have no idea that some of the jehovah's witnesses people calling at their door are a previously convicted sex offender or pedophile who may have served hard time in prison for their crime.
it would be interesting to have an informal survey here and get an idea of the sheer numbers of these child molesters who are out on the loose.. in your opinion - how would the public react if they knew that child molesters were regularly calling on their doors ?
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"there are those who have made mistakes with minors many years ago, who themselves may have been quite young"
What about a 15-year old boy? That was the age of my cousin and his friend who molested a 5-year old in his congregation. It was covered up by his super elder father who tried his best to get his son appointed an elder a few years later. The only thing that stopped the appointment was the girl's mother who threatened to go to the press.
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What do you say, if someone asks if you go to church?
by Bonnie_Clyde inclyde has a great answer.
he says, "no, i take my faith too seriously.
" he says that ends the conversation.
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Bonnie_Clyde
Clyde has a great answer. He says, "No, I take my faith too seriously." He says that ends the conversation. He doesn't want to talk about his JW background.
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Theocratic Terms/Slang - Old and New
by pirata inat the 2010 "safeguard your spirituality", the co (or do?
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he gave the example of many years ago when we said we were doing "back calls", but now we say we are doing "return visits".. here's some he mentioned (bad => good):.
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Bonnie_Clyde
Do you remember when the "Our Kingdom Ministry" was changed to "Our Kingdom Service" and then back to "Our Kingdom Ministry"?
Before "Kingdom Ministry" it was "Informant."
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Elder called last night and they are stopping by tonite for a 'visit'.......
by troubled mind insurprised me that he actually followed up on his word and called .
it will be strange after four yrs.
to have them in our house .my husband was not happy to hear it will be two brothers coming over, because he really does not want to feel we are being counseled .
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Bonnie_Clyde
Be sure to serve them Koolaid.