Posts by sloppyjoe2

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Do Jws even need Jesus?

by TTWSYF in

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friends

just thinking out loud becauseof some things my elder brother has said in the past.

how his works help ensure his future w/the great crowd on earth.. .

well, i need jesus for my salvation,but perhaps some of you do not.. just asking.

sloppyjoe2

To put into perspective how JWs view Jesus.

I was conversing with a JW and they stated how it is up to Jehovah to judge our hearts.

Which I replied isn't Jesus who actually does the judging? She then said, well yes but according to Jehovah's will. Again I replied so then it IS Jesus who actually judges. She did finally concede that yes it was.

I then said I continually hear everyone say that Jehovah is King, when in fact isn't Jesus King? Again she had such trouble acknowledging that her "Jehovah" wasn't the only king but Jesus was king. She even said yes but that's because Jehovah has made him king but he will be king in the future. Again I countered with but that is not until AFTER the millenial reign. As of now and until the millenial reign begins, Jehovah has stepped back.

Even with what is clearly written in the bible, Jesus just isn't that important.

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Reinstatement - repentance - works - Can you explain how this is supposed to work?

by berrygerry in

nov 15, 2006 wt.

when requesting reinstatement, he should be able to give evidence that he has repented and is producing works that befit repentance.acts 26:20.. .

how possibly can someone "give evidence" or "produce works"?.

sloppyjoe2

Actually there are important things to be said. When deciding to disfellowship often times elders look at how the person is doing spiritually as a direct correlation to their repentance. Do they feel like they have jahs spirit, do they earnestly pray for forgivness as well as in everyday life. Do they talk as if they have a personal relationship with him.

Now you just apply the same when trying to get reinstated. Tell the elders how you did not pray to Jehovah and did not feel worthy to be one of his sheep. Tell them how you had a bad attitude and was critical of others in the congregation causing you to stray. Tell them you didn't pray, never studied for meetings, never did personal study. tell them you thought meetings were boring and disliked field service. Now bring on the works that befit repentance.

Tell them When you were disfellowshipped you never felt more empty and alone. You cried and begged Jehovah for help. As you got back to reading the bible everyday, studying for all the meetings, personal study you very slowly and gradually felt Jehovah giving you his spirit. You developed a spiritual routine everyday. As time went on you found yourself talking and praying to jehovah all day long everyday. You couldn't wait to go to the meetings even though no one could speak with you, just being around his sheep became so refreshing to you. You read every watchtower and awake as soon as it is available. After awhile all you could think about doing was how you need to preach to others about your god. It was then that it hit you just how much you not only hurt those who loved you but how much you hurt jehovah. Reflecting on it all became very emotional for you once again. but this time you gave a very long and heartfelt prayer to jehovah. You actually felt his spirit encouraging you and uplifting you. It was then you finally knew you were determined to never let this happen again and never let your spiritual guard down. It was then you realized you were determined to return to hi and be in good standing whenever Jehovah felt the time was right.

And that about sums up your works that befit repentance. And probably wouldn't be a bad letter requesting reinstatement.

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Watchtower Oct 15 2014. Legal contracts?

by StarTrekAngel in

for anyone who may have looked at, or attended the wt study for this week.

the first two articles of the magazine in subject use, in my opinion, the word "legal contract" too often.

anyone noticed this?

sloppyjoe2

As I very sparingly paid attention while perusing the internet on my ipad, I remember thinking how is it a "legal" contract? Wouldn't Jehovah be the one who would enforce any type of legal contract, that he apparently made...with himself...with no legal system in place to enforce a legal contract?

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My dog just died.

by panhandlegirl in

i just buried my beloved poddle, little brother.

he died suddenly.

i know to most people that is not an important event.

sloppyjoe2

My condolences as I have lost two dogs in my lifetime. I am a dog lover and have found getting another dog helps fill the void. The best animals there are in my opinion.

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Mommy says no Christmas

by Anony Mous in

daughter is 3 now, that's a little less than i've been on this forum.

you can find my life story in earlier posts.

enough to say that i have a generous amount of visitation with her.. i picked her up and was talking about the lights some of her neighbors had.

sloppyjoe2

Simple, when she wakes up for Christmas she will very quickly forget that mommy says no Christmas when she sees the presents.

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Why is it wrong for Christians to celebrate Christmas?

by james_woods in

jw
friends

this was inspired by terry's thread.... it is something that raises many questions about the jw belief system.. .

for one thing - the bible certainly explains all the details of the christ birth.

it certainly does not tell people to avoid celebrating it with feasts, customs, etc.

sloppyjoe2

JWs prided themselves on being separate from the world. This is a pretty significan't way to demonstrate that. I think that idea is more important to them than any pagan practices they can attribute to the holiday.

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Wasn't a letter about the NGO situation read at the Hall?

by Apognophos in

okay, so i've been seeing the occasional comment here and there on the forum that some jws, even elders, do not seem to have heard about the society ever being an ngo.

am i not remembering accurately?

back when this scandal happened (2001?

sloppyjoe2

Yes, there was a letter read at my hall.

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What Made You Finally Wake Up?

by Tenacious in

hello to all.

i've been on this site for a couple of weeks now posting here and there but have not had the opportunity to read about many of the regular members and what led up to their leaving the wt.. i understand that some of you (i'm part of this club) may not be able to disclose many details and i can appreciate that.. i'd love to hear what was it that finally made you renounce what is and hopefully soon to be "was" the wt.. i truly look forward to having good discussions.. thank you to all for your kind participation.. .

sloppyjoe2

The generations teaching in 1995 was the first time I recall questioning anything, I was only 11 or 12 at the time. Then america online became popular and I would hang out in JW chat rooms where apostates abounded. I never talked to them but always would read what they had to say. Sometimes it made sense and other times apostates fed the idea that the watchtower portrayed them to be, crazy, angry, twisting anything they could. It really did not help what they were trying to do by how some would act.

Anyway fast forward the FIRST apostate website I ever read was freeminds.org sometime in the 90s. My heart was beating very fast as I was on the site. Again I read more stuff that made sense. I believe that's where I first heard of ray franz and his book. I went to the library and read it there for awhile out of fear of someone would find my book at home. Eventually I checked it out and locked it in my meeting bag since it had a combination on it.

After reading the book and I saw Ray had predicted that the generations teaching would need to be changed when he wrote his book in the early 80s and it took God's channel of communication over a decade to do it, that was a big moment of the light bulb going off for me. His book also pointed out about 607. I began researching that and figured out how it was all wrong. That was it for me.

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Wedding question

by lostinthought in

jw
friends

can a witness get in trouble for attending an inactive family members wedding?

just wondering because i am getting married this summer and my mom tried to blackmail me by saying she and other family members would attend but only if i returned to the meeting.

i told her i am not going back to the meetings.

sloppyjoe2

You can even attend a wedding in a church, just not participate in the event there is a religous service along with it.

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Perhaps Eve was really a Neanderthal!

by skeeter1 in

heard this researcher on dr. radio, and wanted to share the story.

science keeps blowing away the pre-biblical notion of adam and eve.. skeeter.

the dna from the 45,000-year-old bone of a man from siberia is helping to pinpoint when modern humans and neanderthals first interbred, researchers say.. although modern humans are the only surviving human lineage, others once lived on earth.

sloppyjoe2

You know when I was younger and believed in adam and eve, I tried to picture just what a "perfect" woman must have looked like. I had quite a few crushes on some super models that I already considered perfect, but eve must have looked even better than them.....Now...you've ruined it!