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  Let’s Speculate!!!

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you know the organization is slowly going down.

  not as fast as we would wish, but nevertheless it is crumbling.

  five (5) year old child baptisms, smaller magazines, child sexual abuse exposed, smaller annual growth, no one wants to reach out, young ones leaving.

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  Will there still be a Governing Body?

  Yes, of younger anointed.
  

  Will they finally drop 1914?

  No, check out he seventh day adventists. They still hold 1844 as a significant date, JWs will hold to theirs.
  

  Will the blood doctrine finally be dropped?

  No
  

  Will disfellowshipping be dropped?

  No
  

  Will there still be Circuit Overseers, Elders, Pioneers?

  Yes
  

  Will there still be Judicial Committees?

  Yes
  

  Will they still have conventions 3 times a year?

  I think the push here is to do as much as possible in watchtower owned assembly halls. But that will take time. The conventions are big money makers.
  

  How many meetings will they have a week?

  Your guess is as good as mine but I say still 2.
  

  Will they still go door to door preaching?

  I think they will still have some forms of it but I think trolly cart is where they are headed.
  

  Will they drop the name; “Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?”

  No, that's their legal corporation names.
  

  How many members will they have worldwide?

  My guess is 18-20 million
  
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  Is Satan really a liar, and the father of the lie?

  by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

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  2. beliefs

  5 for god knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like god, knowing good and bad.. .

  genesis 3:22. jehovah god then said: here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad..".

  for god knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like god, knowing good and bad.?.

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  Genesis 3:22 Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever, 23 With that Jehovah God expelled him from the garden of E′den to cultivate the ground from which he had been taken.

  This is a topic I never really can get anyone to discuss. But I would like to point out that as JWs we were taught that Adam and Eve sinned and therefore that was the moment that their bodies began to die. The bible indicates that this is not true in my opinion. As you can see at the end of verse 22, if God had allowed them to stay in the garden, they would have still lived forever by eating from the tree of life, this would be even after they "sinned". In other words they still would have lived forever even after "sinning". So eating the fruit did not cause their bodies to start dying, but not being able to eat from the tree of life is what caused their bodies to start dying.
  
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  I'm not sure........I listened carefully to Justice McClellan, he said until Friday......

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  however, it may be that they are trying to find jackson and see if he will come in to assist.

  it has been said on a wt friendly news site, that jackson has declined.

  i don't know what this means in terms of what the rc will decide to do.

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  If there are changes made, the JWs will just explain it as Jehovah cleansing his organization and be even happier and more convinced that they are his people. Never mind it was victims and former members (apostates) who actually brought all of this about to the authority's attention.
  
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  Excuse me, but what is this Rothschild thing that a poster is talking about?

  by umbertoecho in

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  i don't know why this person is saying this (to me) mad sort of statement.

  where is this information coming from?

  what evidence is he/she citing?

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  These big conspiracy theorists really took off after 9/11. They want a global government, one currency, kill most of the population and so on. If that were all true, they had their chance in 2008-2009. The economy was collapsed and the government stepped in and stopped it. Some people just want something to believe in, no matter how crazy.
  
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  The cruelty of shunning now being exposed rc

  by poopie in

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  let justice roll forth.

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  @freeminfade on jaydubdotorg they use the word shunning to explain disfellowshipping under their FAQ do jehovahs witnesses shun former members. In case that ever comes up again, their web site uses that apostate word.
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  A few facts to ponder

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been in correspondence recently with silentambs and a few interesting things have been highlighted.

  some of you may know, that bill bowen has twice tried to get the fbi involved in investigating child molestation issues in the jws org.

  this is what he said to me, i quote: we have reported to the fbi on two occasions and were rebuffed due to them not wishing to get involved with a religion.

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  @nitty-gritty, when the dateline report came out so many years ago, a letter was read at the congregation level that it was all lies and to not believe or listen to it. That has been the stance by the organization ever since then. Every single person that has brought this issue up has always been accused of being an apostate and a liar. I get it, you're a JW and you support your organization and hate that anything negative is coming out of it, but guess what, people weren't lying. Australia has now shown that in their country there were people appointed who were already child molesters, people removed for child molestation and later reappointed, and there were over 1005 cases in a country with only 68,000 publishers in 65 years. Statistically that doesn't look good for what it must be like around the rest of the world.

  You can try and make us the bad guy all you want but reality is, the organization was warned by bill bowen and others. The governing body chose to ignore them, and now they are getting egg on their face for it. The ENTIRE issue was always about protecting children. Why are we gloating, because the mentally diseased and lying charges by JWs have turned and bit the organization in the butt. We gloat because the organization deserves this UNTIL they actually change policy and protect children. The whole reason people never let up on child molestation for over a decade is for the protection of children. You should be ashamed for yourself for not looking into this much sooner than now.

  One final thing to add, children finally being protected properly in the organization can only be credited to those who brought it to the proper authorities attention. That was not done by you or any other JW. For that matter if it had been left up to you or any other JW and the governing body, no child would ever get the proper protection they need. Since the organization and all JWs have repeatedly said they have the best policies in place. So when the time comes that all the children in the organization that you defend happens are better protected, thank those who were called mentally diseased, apostates, and liars by JWs for not letting it go.
  
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  If You Continue to do Bad, Sooner or Later You Will Get Caught.

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  when one person finally spoke out that she was raped by cosby, no one believed it.

  then another person came out and the line started getting drawn in the sand.

  you now had two groups of people.

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  There have always been people that leave, it's just always been far out paced by people who join. You can search posts going back 15 years in this board predicting the end of the watchtower is near. In that time JWs nearly doubled in number. It's like some people went from thinking Armageddon is near to the watchtower end is near.
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  If You Continue to do Bad, Sooner or Later You Will Get Caught.

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  when one person finally spoke out that she was raped by cosby, no one believed it.

  then another person came out and the line started getting drawn in the sand.

  you now had two groups of people.

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  I guess I am going to be the one that takes the other side of this. I don't understand why there is always this constant speculation or belief that the end of the watchtower is near or we are on the brink of some mass awakening. As someone who still attends meetings at times, the complete opposite is what I see. Everyone still thinks the end is close. No one talks about or has even mentioned child abuse. And everyone is rejuvenated and abuzz after the convention. I've only known 2 people in over 30 years who left because they no longer wanted to be a jw. We just had two halls split in the city as well. This is all in the United States. So unless there is something going on somewhere else, I sure don't see it.
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  The 1995 Generation Change

  by sloppyjoe2 in

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  2. friends

  i was just a teenager and have a vivid memory of sitting in a chair doing a microphone for the sunday meeting.

  everyone was commenting that it didn't mean the end was far off, and it didn't change the condition of the dead, or the 144,000, or the trinity so we should still remain faithful.

  this is my first memory as a kid being just a teen that i ever had a single doubt.

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  "There are many reasons to have complete trust in the slave class. First and foremost, Jesus has appointed them over all his precious "belongings." This is a clear indication that he has complete trust in them." Organized to Do Jehovah's Will (2005) p.18

  Sometimes I wonder if people even read these magazines...as Ricky already pointed out, complete trust in the slave class was because they were appointed over all of christ's precious belongings...except, now no the weren't!

  *** w13 7/15 p. 8 par. 19 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***

  Finally, we examined why Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation.
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  Disfellowshipping Votes

  by sloppyjoe2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for current and former elders.. when sitting on a judicial committee, was a unanimous vote required in order to df?

  if the answer to above is "no", what happened when 2 were for df and one wasn't?

  what happened when 1 was for df and 2 werent?.

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  For current and former elders.

  When sitting on a judicial committee, was a unanimous vote required in order to Df?

  If the answer to above is "no", what happened when 2 were for Df and one wasn't? What happened when 1 was for Df and 2 werent?