Posts by SAHS

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Is is right to leave your job for the WT? In an assembly interview

by skin in

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we had an assembly part here 6 months ago where a sister was interviewed by the co because she left her job to do more wt work, she talked about some jobs that she had recently been offered with good pay but turned these down.

most listening to this is would be thinking that this sister is being blessed by jehovah for taking this stand, how much faith she has to do this and what can we do personally with our own jobs, made me almost feel guilty for having a job.

anyway come forward 6 months to now, this family has had to move to another region because the husband couldnt find enough work to support his family here.

SAHS

The purpose of those experiences on the platform at the district conventions is to make people think that the majority of their fellow members aspire to follow an artificial, spuriously-contrived standard.

It is similar to the famous sociological psychiatry experiment devised by Solomon Asch, where people were tricked into changing their perceptions to match that of what they were intentionally misled to perceive to be that of the majority. It’s really all about deception in trying to convey the incorrect idea that most in the audience would just love to quit their jobs and pioneer if they possibly could. Truth is, of course, that a very significant proportion of JWs don’t even have their Watchtower studied and underlined for the Sunday meeting – let alone have a burning desire to pioneer.

So, the next time you see one of those interviews on the platform of folks who seem to be just itching to make whatever sacrifices they can to “advance kingdom interests,” just remember that what you are seeing is merely the mirage which the WTS wants you to perceive. It’s really all just marketing fluff – and nothing more.

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most important event in the 20th century

by scotoma in

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june 28 1914 archduke ferdinand was killed by a serbian government sponsored assassination team.. this was the trigger event of world war i. actually some have called it world war (part 1) followed less than 30 years later by world war (part 2).. in retrospect this was a useful date for jw's.. it has propelled them for 100 years.. of course jw's have massaged their predictions about the significance of 1914 over the years.. do you feel that jw's would be what they are today without that great war?

do you think that the shooting down of the passenger plane over east ukraine will be an equivalent moment that pushes putin into a corner where he will have to fight the west?

in other words will we look back on that event as the beginning of world war (part 3)?.

SAHS

Actually, the First World War started on JULY 28, 1914, but according to the book What Does The Bible Really Teach? (2005), pp. 217-218, the Gentile times ended and Jesus began ruling (invisibly) in OCTOBER of 1914. So, technically, the Watchtower Society didn’t really hit the bull’s-eye even with that most important date of theirs.

And, of course, as we all know, 1914 was originally supposed to be “not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.” (Zion’s Watch Tower, 1894, July 15, p. 226)

So, the Watchtower Society didn’t quite hit the target in relation to WW1, and the arrow went assbackwards.

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Is the Bible just as fake as the JW's

by BackSlider in

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it seems that the more i research, the more i find that it's all just a big scam.

is there any evidence that even the bible isn't just another big religion/government scam?

would we listen to putin or obama if they told us they have verified new holy writings?

SAHS

Whether or not there is some kind of entity with some sort of intelligence which put in place the structured processes of the universe, one thing I do know is that ALL the world’s religions, which attempt to explain the nature of an “Almighty God” by arbitrarily putting him into some kind of theological “box,” are WRONG, WRONG, DEAD WRONG! That’s right, NONE of them are correct, because a scientific premise of a magical deity is really invalid by definition. (I.e., Harry Potter is, in fact, just a movie, and there ain’t no such thing as magic, folks.)

Things can be contrived and embellished, especially words, especially over centuries, especially by those with, um, less than honest and righteous intentions. (Why, we still see plenty of those kind of people today, don’t we.) Trickery and charlatanry have always been, and continue to be, a fundamental part of the fabric of human society in so many other areas, so why wouldn’t that also include the area of religion, of all things? (Remember, there’s nothing like religion to promote the self-serving, egotistical, narcissistic interests of a powerful elite minority.)

It’s really not too hard to imagine that fiction and cultural mythology would be the very nature and essence of religion itself (yes, all of them), because, well, just think of this for a moment: We currently have folks purporting there to be a Sasquatch (Big Foot); Loch Ness Monster; Abominable Snowman; little green men from a flying saucer in Roswell, New Mexico; Chupacabra (“goat-sucking” demon creature); Leprechaun (Irish folklore); etc., etc. . . . Not to mention dragons, unicorns, Smurfs, Care Bears, those talking M&M candies, etc. – and who knows, perhaps one of those juvenile fictitious creatures or characters will eventually be written up in some holy book in the future and widely accepted as fact. Things like that can evolve and eventually graduate from obvious fantasy to some dogmatic words read aloud in churches of the future.

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What did Russell mean by this statement?

by LogCon in

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speaking of dwight moody and his associates, pastor russell wrote:.

it is our thought that the lord used these men, and through their ministry the fore-ordained number was completed at the fore-ordained time, 1881. .

why 1881?.

SAHS

“LogCon”: “. . . The fore-ordained number was completed at the fore-ordained time, 1881.”

That just made me think of something: There is absolutely no way to actually tabulate the cumulative number of the 144,000 anointed since Pentacost 33 C.E. So, there could be absolutely no way to confirm whether that number would have been completed by any date. It’s not like newly-anointed ones were put into some timeless Excel spreadsheet starting in the first century. The WTS can therefire spin it any way they wish. It’s like trying to state what events supposedly occurred up in “heaven.” You could say whatever you like – who could prove or disprove it?

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Speculation Fall AGM

by Poztate in

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a lot of comments have been made about possible big changes at the agm in the fall.. comments range from changes to the blood doctrine or who compose the one hundred and forty four thousand.. my speculation is.... (and if someone else had this kind of thread i am not stealing from you..just never read it).

the door to door as we know it will cease to exist.

the publishing of a monthly public wt and awake will end.. instead each month a tract with different subjects and a redirect to jw.org will come out.

SAHS

“DATA-DOG”: “I think the CONTI case is priority #1.”

I think that one change they would love to make in the congregations is to introduce a new, additional contribution box labelled “WT CANDICE CONTI DEFENSE FUND,” or perhaps a more general “PEDOPHILE DEFENSE FUND.” Pretty soon there will be so many contribution boxes that it will make people’s heads spin.

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GB blows smoke out their ass,here is why

by bobld in

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apr 15,2014 wt...james and marilyn...marilyn goes abroad to earn more money.. page 20.marilyn comes to see.......while living apart they could not follow the bible's direction to fill each other's emotional and sexual needs.they could not share a spontaneous thought,glance,or smile,the gentle touch of a hand,a warm embrace,intimate "expressions of affection" or marital "due".

ok i see how this could f&&& up a marriage.but look what the smoke coming out of the ass says next.. may 15,2014 wt.story of kenneth little.. page 18.canceled honeymoon,spents one week by himself in bethel,while evelyn his wife worked in field service by herself.. page 19.was invited to attend the 36th class of gilead school,a ten-month course in brooklyn.n.y..note:evelyn was asked to write a letter stating that she was willing for us to be separated for a least ten months.evelyn shed tears.what happened to the bible's direction to fill each other's emotional and sexual needs.

gb.gb,gb why the double standard.

SAHS

To “bobld”: Great catch! They sure do talk out of their ass, and both sides of it.

“Poztate”: “I hope he didn't spend all his time jerking off while he was alone on his honeymoon and his wife was out in FS.”

That’s exactly what I first thought of. They tell us to fulfill our scriptural marital obligations, and then they hold up an example of a fundamentally abnormal life that basically trashes a marriage.

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My take of the convention

by mann377 in

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just spent the last weekend listening to the program and fortunatly i'm not programable.

anyway i had to listen to two members of the gb.

it was very interesting to listen now with the aid of technology and the big screens.

SAHS

Maybe if you checked, you would find an AC power cord coming out from their bodies. Any stuff that cheesy could only come from some audio-animatronics machines like at Disney World.

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'Jehovah's Kingdom' convention banner

by undercover in

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making the rounds on facebook is a snapshot of some jws holding a huge banner from the upper deck at a convention.

it says, "jehovah's kingdom" and underneath a crudely drawn download 'bar' with the number 99% on the right side, as if to say in computer lingo, jah's day is almost here.

behind are other dubs holding up smaller placards, but i can't remember what they said.. is this a wt sanctioned or approved action?

SAHS

It seems that the WTS is becoming more and more aware that any kind of “logical” or “factual” academic approach on their part is simply not going to cut ice because of the ease with which information can now be compared and tested against their history, . . . . so, that is why they are instead focusing more on the charismatic, emotional-type approach. It’s like they are hoping that people will think they will be discovering some tantalizing hidden, mysterious type of information by checking out the WTS’ Web site.

Many JWs will probably just be getting a box of the new contact cards and scattering them around to accumulate their hours in a sort of “high-speed dubbing mode.” And, of course, if that is going to be the case, then us “apostates” should, as “OneEyedJoe” suggested above, “go to vista print and order some similar looking cards that instead direct people to the "Why Jehovah's Witnesses need your help" PDF on jwsurvey instead” – or perhaps also list some other choice Web sites, such as “http://jwfacts.com,” “http://aawa.co,” “http://www.silentlambs.org,” and “http://ajwrb.org” – you know, the real thinking man’s sites. That would only be fair, I think – a sort of tit for tat.

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'Jehovah's Kingdom' convention banner

by undercover in

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making the rounds on facebook is a snapshot of some jws holding a huge banner from the upper deck at a convention.

it says, "jehovah's kingdom" and underneath a crudely drawn download 'bar' with the number 99% on the right side, as if to say in computer lingo, jah's day is almost here.

behind are other dubs holding up smaller placards, but i can't remember what they said.. is this a wt sanctioned or approved action?

SAHS

“Is this a WT sanctioned or approved action? Or was it some rogue rubes trying to liven things up? . . . I wonder just who is responsible for something so out of place . . .”

Well, as far as that kind of thing goes, I think that it’s basically the same phenomena you see at hockey and football games, with people holding various signs and banners and painting their faces, etc. People are apt to do those sensational sort of things anywhere. It’s just part of human nature, albeit often rather immature and asinine.

“I'd rather see a "JWFacts.com" or "jehovah-witness.net" banner, personally.”

Now, THERE’S the idea, “undercover”! Don’t forget “http://aawa.co,” “http://www.silentlambs.org,” and “http://ajwrb.org” – those ones are important too. You know what? We should arrange a busload of us “apostates” to hit convention arenas and do some, um, public “wallpapering” (especially if the media is there with their camera).

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GB guilty of the ultimate spiritual crimes. How can JW's believe this stuff?

by integ in

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the gb is guilty of the ultimate spiritual crimes.

blasphemy against god by claiming they "speak for jehovah".

they said it again recently in an article..that they speak the words of jehovah and we should listen to those words.

SAHS

“yadda yadda 2”: “All that really matters is that these modern-day Pharisees heinous policies and doctrines which cause real harm and suffering and death to real children and adults is stopped. Wicked creed annd policies such as their blood transfusion policy, faulty child abuse policy, shunning policy.”

So true! Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are well and good, but only up to a reasonable point. The no blood transfusion thing – along with the no organ transplant thing, the no immunization thing, and the no alternative military serice thing, all of which were at one time strictly enforced policies – are definitely over the line! Enough is enough.

In terms of what would actually constitute a “God send,” I think that in reality “http://aawa.co,” if anything, would certainly fit that bill! Hopefully some lives, especially innocent children and babies, will be saved from disaster at the dirty, greedy hands of the WTS!