These types of comments are made here in the US all the time and don't cause this type of backlash.
In alot of ways you Canadians are eons ahead of us in Human Rights.
Gretchen
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Gay-bashing Alliance MP
by Waymores Ghost in.
me thinks the recent gay-bashing by an alliance mp was not driven by an anti-gay agenda so much as it was a politically motivated move to ensure that the alliance and tory parties never merge.
but he's still a dick-head.. wg
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GUMBY... you posted Bogus info on BUSH
by Double Edge ingumby: i like ya man, but check out your sources before inadvertantly spreading lies... in case you didn't read this reply to your post re: president bush's i.q.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/14/62621/2.ashx
gumby.... what you posted earlier about bush's i.q.
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Gretchen956
Its a big mistake! It's really 92, damn reporters anyway.
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"Abhor what is wicked" - and yet JWs allow domestic violence?
by somebodylovesme inold story just came to mind as i was browsing through the watchtower's website (because i can't sleep and i truly find it entertaining) and read an article about abhoring that which is wicked.
i was never a jw - my husband was until he was 20, and is now inactive.
he told me a story that just infuriates me to no end, and i have to wonder if it is common.
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Gretchen956
Abuse happens frequently, VERY frequently, in my experience. Personally it was at the hands of my parents, initially, that command to beat your children took hold with them. There were belts, willow switches, and once for me and more frequently for my brothers, fists. I was very stubborn and I resolved not to cry when my mom beat me. She was resolved to beat me until I did cry. I would look her right in the eyes and stare her down. Very unchristianlike of me. That form of abuse was actually encouraged in that era in ours and most congregations. Dr. Spock and anyone that promoted other methods were openly ridiculed.
When I married, I married someone "worldly" so when he was abusive, the elders were just a tad more supportive, but not much. My father (also an elder) along with other brothers wondered if I was really being submissive to him. They said I must be doing something to make him treat me that way. At the time I was being submissive, I waited on him hand and foot. But he had me so beat down that I was in severe depression and weighed in at over 214 pounds. The abuse was always verbal except one time, but as I have come to know later by working with domestic violence issues, that is sometimes worse than the physical and every bit as dangerous. (did I mention he was a cop?) Periodically when things got really bad (he liked to trash the house and break things), I would leave him, but he would promise to come to a meeting with me and be better and of course not believing in divorce, I always went back.
I went to the doctor, got on an antidepressant and got myself physically fit. He started treating me MUCH better and I thought maybe he was finally learning something.. Then my son said to me (when we were alone together) that he was mad because his dad was treating me that way but that as soon as I wasn't there he would treat him the same way he had done with me. That was it. I divorced him and never looked back.
Over the years I have known so many sisters beaten by their witness husbands, or ridiculed, or verbally abused, I think that its pretty pervasive. But this is all just one thing that is so horrific about the JWs. The child molestation, the blood issue, and other things are equally as appalling. I am so blessed to have come out the other side and grown into my own skin.
I am not submissive to anyone! I have unconditional love from my partner and from my son and from what family is not in the borg. And my friends are with me through thick and thin. Life is good.
And.. beings it's Thanksgiving, I have to say that I'm thankful for all of it, as horrible as it was, it has made me who I am today. And I'm okay.
Gretchen
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Smoke Detectors Company---Watchtower Society!
by Voyager in.
go here and scroll down the companies names that start with the letter (w).. http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/fire_prevention/instruct_smoke_detectors.pdf .
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Gretchen956
I sometimes wonder how people find things like this! At any rate, there's a phone number listed, someone could always call the guy.
Gretchen
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Gretchen956
Seems like there was a case around here where a JW was taking care of an elderly woman and stole all her money. It was in the newspaper, I even think it was an elder. Now in jail.
Gretchen
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If You're Having A "Bad Day", Does It Show Up When You Post???
by minimus inwhen we post, we pretty much express who we are, at least in cyberspace.
but every once in a while, we might get out of character.
we might express ourselves in a way that we don't typically.
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Gretchen956
a mature brother never actually had bad moods. Mature brothers were consistent at all times and simply did not ever experience mood changes.
All right now that is just downright spooky. Has anyone ever seen the old movie Stepford Wives? Can we say programmed robots without feelings or emotions?? OMG
I'm going to have nightmares tonight!
Gretchen
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Unusual Events at Assemblies
by Gretchen956 ini don't know why, but the posting about the apostates outside the tacoma dome made me think of an assembly i went to in portland oregon in the 70s.
(ok so i'm dating myself)... anyway right in the middle of a talk (i think it was the sunday main talk) we had a streaker run through.
i never laughed so hard in all my life!!!
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The possibilities are endless, really, get a group to go, and when they sing the song you could all hold up your lit cigarette lighters like at a concert. Or, the whole bunch of you could moon the audience. Oh my, how much fun you could have!!! Everyone carry in one of those old wind-up alarm clocks set to go off at the same time! What other things could we get up to???
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The absolute stupidity of Christianity
by logansrun inso often people here confuse just what the real evil is.
we think it is the theology and practices of the watchtower.
neigh!
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Gretchen956
I'll use the golden rule for an example. It seems logical to me to treat people the way you want to be treated.
The "golden rule" was around long before the Bible was written. And Christians don't have the market on the precept, either, they just claim to. In my form of spirituality it goes like this: An it harm non, do what you will. We believe that whatever you do comes back at you threefold. You know, another totally illogical belief system (karma, etc.) but hey, it works for me.
I say each to their own path. And those with no path? I have a friend who hypothesizes that we are all here on some vast psychology experiement (think mice in a lab) and the higher powers are up there laughing their a$$es off at how stupid we all are. That may be a little cynical, but it could be as true as anything else! LOL
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When JWs call...
by Mysterious inliving with a dub mother has our house exempt right now.
but trust me she preaches enough.
anyone know if they manage to work their way in to calling on dorm residences, i want to have my copy of "how to identify a cult handy".
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Gretchen956
Do they still go door to door? I'm asking because in the last four years I have not had one call, not so much as a phamphlet in the door. I remember when we all heard that they would keep on preaching until Armeggedon. Did I miss it?
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this website is having an impact
by dothemath inhello.........this is a first for me- i've been reading some of your messages for some time now, and i must say you guys study your watchtower far better than i ever did.
i'm still a part of the congregation (and an elder), but i have to say i agree with many of your criticisms of the organization.
we've become just like the pharisees that jesus condemned............at our last assembly, the do and co warned against apostate material over and over again..........so i certainly think you're having a tremendous impact on their actions.
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Gretchen956
Welcome! Good to hear there are some inside that have an open mind. I hope it's contagous.
Gretchen
