Posts by Globetrotter

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How old do the Witnesses say the earth is?

by JH in

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we all know that the witnesses say that adam would be a little over 6000 years old.

they use the bible to back that up.. how old do they say the earth is, and what would they use to back that up?.

Globetrotter

AlmostAtheist,

"God needed to create the dinosaurs to kinda hash out the whole land-creature thing."

Awesomely Funny. Truly. :) But I can do you one better...

In Greenville, SC is Bob Jones University, a very fundementalist Baptist school. One of the professors there does not believe in dinosaurs - no biblical evidence. He publicly stated that God created the earth with buried dinosaur fossils, but there were never really any dinosaurs.

It's no small wonder that Russell was able to spin up the bible students.

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My lawyer told me...is this the case where you live too?

by Globetrotter in

i recently filed for divorce.

i don't want to take my children (15 and 13) away from their jw mom, but i wanted to make sure that i had final say in medical matters.

my attorney said that in south carolina, legislation was passed that pretty much mandated that doctors provide minor children with life-saving care over any religious objections by parents or hospital committees.

Globetrotter

Hi Blondie,

This is one of the issues that is now avoided - having to wake up attorneys and judges at 3:00 a.m.

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My lawyer told me...is this the case where you live too?

by Globetrotter in

i recently filed for divorce.

i don't want to take my children (15 and 13) away from their jw mom, but i wanted to make sure that i had final say in medical matters.

my attorney said that in south carolina, legislation was passed that pretty much mandated that doctors provide minor children with life-saving care over any religious objections by parents or hospital committees.

Globetrotter

I recently filed for divorce. I don't want to take my children (15 and 13) away from their JW mom, but I wanted to make sure that I had final say in medical matters. My attorney said that in South Carolina, legislation was passed that pretty much mandated that doctors provide minor children with life-saving care over any religious objections by parents or hospital committees. My lawyer was directly involved with the many motions prior to the legislation, and the legislation itself.

Is this the case in your state or country as well?

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what is a sheparding call and how will it affect ..

by Globetrotter in

i recently separated from my jw wife and filed for divorce.

(i am not a jw.

) my wife told someone at the kh and soon afterwards my son told me that she received a sheparding call.

Globetrotter

She has not had a visit that I know of other than the one I described a year ago on this board, and that was a witnessing type of call for my benefit (err). I asked her last night if she had heard from them, and she said that "they" want to come over. She's not ready to recieve them yet.

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what is a sheparding call and how will it affect ..

by Globetrotter in

i recently separated from my jw wife and filed for divorce.

(i am not a jw.

) my wife told someone at the kh and soon afterwards my son told me that she received a sheparding call.

Globetrotter

I recently separated from my JW wife and filed for divorce. (I am not a JW.) My wife told someone at the KH and soon afterwards my son told me that she received a sheparding call.

What is this and how/will it affect our divorce?

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Globetrotter quick update

by Globetrotter in

jw
friends

hi folks, .

it's been a year since my last confession (once a catholic, always a catholic).

i have posted a couple of times here recently, but for the most part have just lurked from time to time.

Globetrotter

Hi Folks,
It's been a year since my last confession (once a Catholic, always a Catholic). I have posted a couple of times here recently, but for the most part have just lurked from time to time. I thought I would update those who remember why I originally started posting to this board.

I filed for divorce the 26th of Jan 05 and moved out two days later. I don't mind answering any questions and participating in the thread (after all, I'm starting it). I'm just not really up to going through all the details in one go.

I want to thank everyone for all the support and understanding I received a year ago, and too to those who gave me a hard time. They forced me to look very hard at my situation. I actually reviewed the old posts as I was preparing for this. While it hurts on one level, it is the right thing to do. There was just too much damage to the marriage for me to be able to work in it any longer. I don't have any animosity toward my wife - she is who she is. I've thought a lot about it, and I believe the bottom line is that we were simply incompatible on too many levels to be able to reach a compromise that is workable 'to death do us part'. I'm through fighting. I don't want to hurt her anymore, and I don't want to be hurt. So much crap has happened that the analogy I used today is that of an old dog with hip dysplasia that drags itself across the floor crying all day long, barking at anyone that comes near and trying to bite anyone that tries to pet it. It is time to put our marriage to sleep. She is who she is because of her upbringing, and I am who I am. I cannot change her, but I also know that I am inside of me, and I have to live with me. How much of me can change for her? Not enough. And after all this time, I have no expectations that she will change for me. People can change if they truly want to, if they see and understand the need to, but it is a rare thing in my opinion. I believe that most people don?t change, because changing would require commitment and effort, and most people are too lazy, too weak or require immediate gratification. I am not willing nor could I ever begin to develop any of the JW party line at any level, the strictness, the dim world view, etc. Nor will I ever turn over my independent thought to the intellectual dishonesty and ignorance demonstrated by so many of the people I have met from her KH.

I never would have married a JW because I at least had the foresight to know there would be problems. Once she started going back, I was proven powerless to do anything about it. My worst fears were realized, but I was able to give my kids a balanced perspective throughout. They are now 15 and 13. My son does not believe at all. He dismisses the entire thing out of hand without a second thought. My daughter believes that most of it is just ridiculous. I have no fears that they will fall back into the religion because I have provided balance from the beginning. While it may have confused them in their earlier years, I hope it will serve them well as adults. But all the fighting between my wife and myself has taken its toll on me emotionally and either I am too weak to try anymore, or I am too strong to put up with any more shit. I really cannot tell. It doesn't matter. It is done. At least the beginning of the end has started.

A business colleague of mine said that I am entering a long dark tunnel. The light behind me will eventually go out, and it will be completely dark and scary for a while. For how long, nobody knows. But eventually, I'll begin to see the light at the other end. It is a good analogy. I know the tunnel is there. I know I have to get through it. And I know I will.

GT

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Another atheist thread

by Globetrotter in

the "what kind of atheist are you" thread sparked a thought and i didn't want it lost, buried deep inside the thread, nor did i want to hijack the thread.

so, my question is this... .

if god does not exist, just exactly who/what is the god of the bible and how did he/it get elevated to such status?

Globetrotter

The "What Kind of Atheist Are You" thread sparked a thought and I didn't want it lost, buried deep inside the thread, nor did I want to hijack the thread.

So, my question is this...

If GOD does not exist, just exactly WHO/WHAT is the god of the bible and how did he/it get elevated to such status?

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What kind of atheist are you?

by Narkissos in

chief rabbi leon ashkenazi said: "the difference between an atheist christian and an atheist jew is that an atheist christian does not believe that god exists, while an atheist jew believes that god does not exist.".

i'm not so sure about the jewish-christian borderline, but i love the nuance.. so which sentence suits you better?.

"i don't believe that god exists.".

Globetrotter

AlmostAtheist said: "It's pretty much impossible to prove god doesn't exist, so I can't put myself in that camp." I suggest that it is incumbent upon the deist to prove that god exists, not the atheist to prove that god doesn't. I believe that god doesn't exist. Certainly not the judeo-christian god.

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The continuing saga of being in love with a Witness

by starcrossedpimp in

i don't know how many read my prior post "problems with jw girlfriend and her family", but i feel the need to continue the story as it is very current and is taking quite a toll on both of us.

she and i also work together at a grocery store, so even if she does/did decide to break things off (because of her parents and the religion) we would still see each other (i'll get to this in a minute).

we both know that we still love each other and that we deserve to be together, but can this religion be stronger than true love?????

Globetrotter

MKR32208 I haven't posted in quite while, but I still visit the boards from time to time. I felt in this case I would just invite you to read the following thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/64494/1.ashx (sorry I don't know how to hyperlink it) It is a long thread... 6 pages, but it will give you several insights on mixed relationships, and some of the JW beliefs in a nutshell. I hope it helps. While it hurts, my advice is to run away. It's just as easy to fall in love with a non-witness as it is a witness. Good luck.

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Relationship: Do you hold back from saying all you are thinking?

by Sassy in

i have become so much more independent and in some ways demanding as i have stopped being a jw.

there was a time when i was literally a doormat for my first husband.

but i have found from being single and then add to that losing the grip from the jw rules, i have become more independence and in many ways more of an opinion.

Globetrotter

I really want to tell you..... but I just can't.

Sassy, as long he doesn't hear this, you may be safe. The moment he hears it, or gets the impression that there is something you want to say but don't want to say, the drama has started. You used the word, and while it's good in a descriptive sense, it's not good in practice. I'm not one to see things in black and white too often, and I don't know what's up, but maybe the choices are to just say what is on your mind, or drop it.