Posts by amicus

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Living A Lie

by MoodyBlue in

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i am sick of living a lie, yet afraid to change it.

married to a man who refuses to listen, who would rather plug his ears and shout "nooooooo" is taking it's tole.

i am afraid to speak my mind about my doubt, my thoughts, and what i'm learning, as i'm not ready to cross that point of no return.

amicus

I have no good advice to offer. I'm a river of questions flowing from a puddle of answers.
I will change the subject though;

'Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colors from our sight.
Red is grey and yellow white,
But we decide which is right,
And which is an illusion?
Pinprick holes in a colourless sky,
Let inspired figures of light pass by,
The mighty light of ten thousand suns,
Challenges infinity and is soon gone.
Night time, to some a brief interlude,
To others, the fear of solitude.
Brave Helios wake up your steeds,
Bring the warmth the countryside needs.

Breathe deep the gathering gloom,
Watch lights fade from every room.
Bedsitter people look back and lament,
Another day's useless energy spent.
Impassioned lovers wrestle as one,
Lonely man cries for love and has none.
New mother picks up and suckles her son,
Senior citizens wish they were young.
Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colors from our sight.
Red is grey and yellow white,
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion???. -Moody Blues/Days of Future Past

Ok, you can have your serious discussion back.

Edited by - amicus on 14 January 2001 10:57:7

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No longer associated with this group

by yeldell2 in

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i had no idea you were ex-witnesses when i registered here.

continue to send me e-mail anyone from this group.

steps to contact the administrator of this site, with this information.

amicus

edit

Edited by - amicus on 12 January 2001 2:4:41

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Heresy of the Month

by thinker in

heresy of the month (from a website).

don't you hate it when someone you know comes up with some new thing that you have never heard about?

you sit there in apparent ignorance as they pontificate about the proofs and merits of some idea so far beyond common knowledge that it can only be revealed by people of exceptional enlightenment such as they.

amicus

I beseach you my bredren' to forgive the presumptive fatness of the unbeliever. HOLLYWOOD will show you the way. Humble yourselves before the thin, seek anorexia!
Praise be to the god of 'No-body-fat'!
Fasting is the way of holiness, fatness brings corruption. Amen. Praise Hollywood. Praise the thin. Yes, we praise starvation! Amen.
I pray to my lord, my thin god, that all mankind might starve and come to be one with you. Amen.
Blessed be the starved,
For they will doubt all of their religious leaders. (Hey, wait a minute,....who wrote that last fuc....in line? How in the hell do you think we are ever going to be able to secure funding if we........)

Edited by - amicus on 12 January 2001 1:21:50

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No longer associated with this group

by yeldell2 in

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friends

i had no idea you were ex-witnesses when i registered here.

continue to send me e-mail anyone from this group.

steps to contact the administrator of this site, with this information.

amicus

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Does anyone see the need to be associated with a congregation as indicated in Revelation?
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I think you need to define "congregation". To me, this board is a virtual congregation of like-minded individuals. I don't see the necessity of physically attending a specific Hall or Church in order to have association.

I am new here. The above comment reflects my sentiment. I feel privileged to be here. Yelldell was emotionally disturbed. She received love, compassion, and understanding here. I do not have the words to describe the kindness shown to her on this board. She chose to reject this. I pray that her "congregation" is able to do better. I feel sadness because I fear they will fail.

Edited by - amicus on 11 January 2001 23:31:4

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No longer a need for a mediator?

by ianao in

(sorry to interrupt your peaceful day).. i just had an interesting talk with a jw friend of mine.

during this talk i was explaining to him why i was reluctant to be baptised a jw.

we got into many lengthy discussions on various topics.. one thing we discussed was jehovah (duh!

amicus

Gozz,

The issue is touchy, that is, that the FDS is mediator between the greatcrowd and Jehovah.

The issue is touchy that is why it is not emphasized

I'm sure many JWs will disagree with that.

Then they need to pay closer attention to the publications printed by the WTBTS.

People may draw their own wrong conclusions, but I know Brooklyn won't claim that

Then why did they put it in print? They do allow for an escape clause if the subject becomes too heated; New Light.

It'll be suicidal. I'll take any elder/speaker up on it anyday without fear.

True. Suicidal to anyone who dared to challenge an elder or speaker. The Feb. 15, 2001 WT study articles IMHO discourage these types of questions(I think thats why they emphasize Apostates being destroyed and Jehovah's people being submissive).

Read Insight On the Scriptures pgs. 362,363 "Those for whom Christ is Mediator", "Inaugration of the New Covenant", and "Blessings to Mankind in General".
RR does not misrepresent what is stated there. What the "FDS" is saying here is 'Christ mediates between the anionted and Jehovah. The anointed mediate between Christ and the great crowd.' Some of the verbage is a little confusing. The first sentence under "Blessings to Mankind in General" is fairly clear though.

(edited)
Hey Gozz,
I just now came across some of your other posts and I think I misunderstood your position. If you find my comments above offensive, e-mail me and I'll delete them.

Edited by - amicus on 12 January 2001 16:51:54

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When should you Disassociate yourself?

by happytobefree in

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i have been having discussion with my sister (relative), who is an active witness, about writing a letter of disassociation.

the reason being is that i have not attended the meetings in over a year and it's been 4 years since i have went out in the jw ministry.. i going to try to sum this topic up.

my sister think that i should not da myself because i have not done any immoral act in her thinking.

amicus

happytobefree,
Who did you dedicate your life to when you were Baptized?

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Do we need a 'Faithful and Discrete Slave' ?

by ISP in

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there is a thread already started on the subject of the fds elsewhere but i thought we may as well deal with aspect.. do we need a fds?.

what would we miss if we didn't have one?.

what additional new light do we need?.

amicus

JT,
I have been out of the loop for a while, so I'm not sure how accurate these statements are, but I remember hearing things like; Jdubs have the biggest 'construction company' in the world and they have the biggest 'trucking company' in the US.
Somehow I missed those activities being emphasized in my studies of the Scriptures.

Larc,
In my meandering through printed media I read something that hit home;
"They loved money and desired prominence and flattering titles. The Pharisees were so biased in their application of the Law that they made it burdensome for the people, insisting that it be observed according to their concepts and traditions. They completely lost sight of the important matters, namely, justice, mercy, faithfulness, and love of God. The Pharisees went to great lengths in making proselytes." (italics mine, Pharisees-Insight on the Scriptures pg626 pg5

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taking the long view

by amicus in

not often have i regretted being an inactive jw.

today though, i heard a true story i would have loved to use as an "effective introduction" in a talk.

it seems two southern gentlemen were out frog gigging in a very remote area.

amicus

Frenchy,
Regardless of the complexity of cipher used to encrypt correspondence, it seems there is always someone clever enough to decode the communication. I applaud your mental dexterity, though I fear the precedent you have set.
PLEASE, a WARNING to all who might be inclined to read all text printed on this thread backwards! The mantras contained therein are quite powerful and difficult for even the most adept to manage. You think RHW's BHWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA is effective..............

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News

by larc in

i've really enjoyed the conversations about music, poetry, movies, books and short storys.

i thought it would be interesting to read about little known news from around the world, so i'll start with some from the tiny dot where i live on this ball of mud we call earth.. i just read in the paper this morning that the people of port clinton, ohio are celebrating new years by dropping a 500 pound fiberglass walleye fish into lake erie.

we people here in ohio have a certain panache.. the tornado in xenia, ohio this summer missed my daughter's house by a block and a half.

amicus

All the news They didn't want you to hear (and maybe we're better off not knowing anyway).
* http://www.projectcensored.org

Edited by - amicus on 11 January 2001 2:8:41

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Do you still attend meetings?

by Sassenach in

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i'm wondering if you still attend meetings?

do you hold out hope for the watchtower organization?

if you've left entirely, have you found another form of worship?

amicus

When I was young, I used to enjoy some of the Catholic masses. The Latin hymns and incense burning were almost intoxicating. At some point in time, at a fairly young age, I had learned enough about the religion to be disgusted by it. At that point I was never able to enjoy a mass again.
Now, I have learned enough about the WTBTS to have lost all respect for it as well. I have no more desire to visit a Kingdom Hall that a Catholic Church.
I do enjoy reading the New Testament/Christian Greek Scriptures. Give me a good readable translation surrounded by some Redwoods, ferns, and a babling brook. I'll leave all the man made "houses of worship" to those that can still enjoy them.