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10Old email from an elder right before I DA'd myself
by Winston Smith :>D inafter reading shotgun's lovely meeting with his two helpful elders, i was inspired to go back and look at the time when i had the pleasure to meet with the elders.
it was a wonderful experience to observe first hand their stellar ability to reason on matters, to mask their investigations with "we missed you at the meeting, and to just be so damn condecsending.. .
man i'm glad i saved so many of my meetings with them on my computer.. .
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...has Already Committed Adultery
by YoursChelbie inhere's my thoughts on why jesus said: .
"..it was said, 'you must not commit adultery.
' but i say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
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fader
I was raised as a witness and received the standard witness sex education. I faded at age 18 for various reasons. I have had numerous sex partners, of both genders. I'm married to a wonderful man who is a non-witness. He and I have a great relationship. We decided that we would have an open marriage, meaning that both of us could have other sex partners. We do not equate sex with love. I love him dearly, we've been together for eight years. This arragement works for us, we both gain and have never had a bad experience with it. I consider myself a moral person, perhaps not by the teachings of the 'book' or the WTBTS. I don't consider having other sex partners cheating if my husband knows about it. We discuss it ahead of time. If he objects, then it doesn't happen. That to me is adultery: lying to your partner, not having sex with someone else. Dan Savage wrote an interesting book called "Skipping Towards Gomorrah". It's a good read, there's a chapter in there that deals with your average-middle-class Americans who have these types of marriages.
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Has anyone ever munched at the memorial?
by Sirius Dogma ini have always wanted to do that at a kingdom hall.
over the past few years i celebrated pesach (passover) with some jewish friends and it was so cool to be able to munch the food.
besides the jewish tradition was much more fun and was more like a party.
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fader
My parents normally provided the wine and bread for the memorials when we were in third world countries. They also paid for flowers and other pretty things to do up the KH. MOst of the brothers were too poor to do any of that stuff. My parents always used my grandfathers homemade wine since it was 'pure'. I ate the bread a bunch of times afterwards. Tasted like nothing.
We had a tradition, ever since I was little, that following the memorial we would go out to dinner. I remember something coming out a few years ago how it's not appropriate to go out and party because it was supposed to be a somber day or somethign but we did it anyway.
One year (1994 maybe?), Milton Henschel gave our memorial talk in Rome. All three English congs came together and he gave the talk. Anyway since there weren't any anointed in the English circuit, everyone was fascinated to see someone partake. Some even took pictures. It was really weird!
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JWS IN INDIA,SABA, AND AUSTRALIA
by badboy inin india, many churches r`segrated' according2 caste eg.brahmin won't worship with`untouchables' .
is that a problem in khs?
i c in saba that the statistics haven't risen 4 some years,with only about 3 publishers,any1 know anything about that niche of the woods.
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fader
Yes, there are witnesses in India and Pakistan (more so in India). Lots of them actually. Most witnesses seem to be upper classish, however members of all levels of the caste system were in my congregation in New Delhi. It was actually very utopian compared to what you'd see out in the streets.
India is where I began my slow fade, by the way.
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JW's in Africa TODAY - aargrgghh
by dh injeeez, who'd have thought it, you travel for days to the other side of the world, get jetlagged & hang out for a week, then go to do your laundry and... lo an behold i see in the laundrette, my book of bible stories, family happiness, green new world translation, as i recover from the shock and nervous laughter, i ask the african lady working 'who put these books there', she says 'the owner' hmmm, i think, i better not bin them, so i open the my book of bible stories & guess what it says.... "if you like this book please leave your name at the counter.".
ha ha ha.
you can run but you can't hide.. live from africa
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fader
tons of JWs in Africa. Been in Africa for almost six years now, this is where the real growth is. It's embarassing to see what they call Kingdom Halls here, and then go the US and hear wits complain about the AC not being cold enough, or the chairs being uncomfortable. When I was a wit, I used to go to a KH where we sat on wooden slats, had no AC, got eaten alive by mosquitos, half the time we had no electricity, would sit in the dark, sing in the dark (all of the brothers had the songs memorized, it was really something else), etc. My time in Africa went a long ways towards showing me the truth about this hypocritical organization.
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Just In: Unofficial Poll Results - JWD Voters vs. 60 Minutes Report
by bisous inlast sunday, 60 minutes made the following religious vs. voter affiliation report:.
2/3rds of churchgoers vote republican while 2/3rds of non-churchgoers vote democrat.
i posted an unofficial poll for jwd posters in order to compare and contrast.
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fader
non-church going independent here.
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FlyingHighNow -- please read
by fader inheather:.
i tried replying to your e-mail and i wasn't able to.. please check out the website www.careers.state.gov.
it has all the information you need.
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fader
Heather:
I tried replying to your e-mail and I wasn't able to.
Please check out the website www.careers.state.gov. It has all the information you need. Click on the 'Register for the Foreign Service Exam' button.
Let me know if you need more help,
Lucia
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If You Found A Wallet----Would You Turn It In??
by minimus inwould you have to think about it??
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fader
I found a purse once by the side of the road. The woman had left it on top of her car. I used the address on her license, drover over and returned the purse to her. I brought my then 2 year old son with me, hoping it would be some sort of life lesson about the right thing to do. The woman opened the door, I told her I found her purse, she said 'oh, thanks' and closed the door. I was suprised, I wasn't expecting money or anything, but perhaps a bit more gratitude, an offer to come in and have a drink, I don't know. Oh well, I'm glad I did it, I'd do it again. If someone found my purse and returned it to me intact, I'd definitely offer them some sort of cash reward, 20 bucks maybe?
If I found a winning lottery ticket, I'd wait to see if anyone claimed it (like recently happened). If not, I'd cash it in.
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Survivor All Stars
by Stacy Smith inok i've been too busy to come around here much but it's thursday and tonight is the second edition of survivor all stars.
i honestly was surprised to see tina voted off first.
the website poll says richard hatch is the favorite to go next.
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fader
If posters can be considerate with their subjects and others can be judicious about which topics they open, I don't see why we need to stop discusssing this type of stuff.
Just check the subject of a post and avoid reading these types of threads. The rest of us need to make sure that we are clear in our subjects about the stuff being discussed : And not have a subject like : Rudy wins Survivor All-Stars, or something like that.
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*fluff* very cute
by fader inmy mom, a jw, sent this to me.
church.
egg and asked the children, "what's in here?
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fader
My mom, a JW, sent this to me. Some of these are kind of cute.
fader
3-year-old, Reese: "Our Father, Who does art in
heaven, Harold is His name." " Amen"
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A little boy was overheard praying: "Lord, if you
can't make me a better boy, don't worry about it. I'm
having a real good time like I am."
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A Sunday school class was studying the Ten
Commandments. They were ready to discuss the last one.
The teacher asked if anyone could tell her what it
was. Susie raised her hand, stood tall, and quoted,
"Thou shall not take the covers off the neighbor's
wife."
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After the christening of his baby brother in church,
Jason sobbed all the way home in the back seat of the
car. His father asked him three times what was wrong.
Finally, the boy replied, "That preacher said he
wanted us brought up in a Christian home, and I wanted
to stay with you guys."
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I had been teaching my three-year old daughter,
Caitlin, the Lord's Prayer for several evenings at
bedtime, she would repeat after me the lines from the
prayer. Finally, she decided to go solo. I listened
with pride as she carefully enunciated each word,
right up to the end of the prayer: "Lead us not into
temptation," she prayed, "but deliver us some E-mail.
Amen."
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..and one particular four-year-old prayed, "And
forgive us our trash baskets as we forgive those who
put trash in our baskets."
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A Sunday school teacher asked her children, as they
were on the way to church service, "And why is it
necessary to be quiet in church? One bright little
girl replied, "Because people are sleeping."
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Six-year-old Angie and her four-year-old brother Joel
were sitting together in church. Joel giggled, sang,
and talked out loud. Finally, his big sister had had
enough. "You're not supposed to talk out loud in
church." "Why? Who's going to stop me?" Joel asked.
Angie pointed to the back of the church and said, "See
those two men standing by the door?
They're hushers."
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A mother was preparing pancakes for her sons, Kevin,
5, Ryan,3. The boys began to argue over who would get
the first pancake. Their mother saw the opportunity
for a moral lesson. "If Jesus were sitting here, He
would say, 'Let my brother have the
first pancake, I can wait.'" Kevin turned to his
younger brother and said, "Ryan, you be Jesus!"
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A father was at the beach with his children when the
four-year-old son ran up to him, grabbed his hand, and
led him to the shore, where a seagull lay dead in the
sand. "Daddy, what happened to him?" the son asked.
"He died and went to Heaven," the Dad replied. The boy
thought then said, "Did God throw him back down?"
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A wife invited some people to dinner. At the table,
she turned to their six-year-old daughter - "Would you
like to say the blessing?" "I wouldn't know what to
say," the girl replied. "Just say what you hear Mommy
say," the wife answered. The daughter bowed her head
and said, "Lord, why on earth did I invite all these
people to dinner?"
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It was Palm Sunday and, because of a sore throat,
five-year-old Johnny stayed home from church with a
sitter. When the family returned home, they were
carrying several palm branches. The boy asked what
they were for. "People held them over Jesus' head as
he walked by," his older brother explained.
"Wouldn't you know it," the boy fumed. "The one Sunday
I don't go, He showed up!"
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One Easter Sunday morning as the minister was
preaching the children's sermon, he reached into his
bag of props and pulled out an egg. He pointed at the
egg and asked the children, "What's in here?"
"I know!" a little boy! exclaimed. "Pantyhose!"
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The prospective father-in-law asked, "Young man, can
you support a family?"
The surprised groom-to-be replied, "Well, no. I was
just planning to support your daughter. The rest of
you will have to fend for yourselves."
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A little boy in church for the first time watched as
the ushers passed around the offering plates. When
they came near his pew, the boy said loudly, "Don't
pay for me Daddy. I'm under five."
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During my brother's wedding, my mother managed to keep
from crying until she glanced at my grandparents. My
grandmother had reached over to my grandfather's
wheelchair and gently touched his hand. That was all
it took to start my mother's tears flowing.
After the wedding, Mom went over to my grandmother and
told her How that tender gesture triggered her
outburst. "Well, I'm sorry to ruin your moment,"
Grandmother replied, "but I was just checking to see
if he was still alive."
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"Oh, I sure am happy to see you," the little boy said
to his grandmother on his mother's side. "Now maybe
Daddy will do the trick he has been promising us."
The grandmother was curious. "What trick is that?" she
asked.
"I heard him tell Mommy," the little boy answered,
"that he would climb the walls if you came to visit."