minimus:
Why would you understand if your elder friend shunned you if you were DFd? It's not scriptural and it's not christian.
just my $.02
fader
Posts by fader
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19My Elder Friend Told Me That An Elder Questioned Him About Associating With
by minimus inwith me and that perhaps i should be viewed as "bad association".
funny thing, the same elder bastard called me at work to say how much he missed my "smiling face.
" my elder friend said," i said to myself, i'd rather associate with him anyday, even if you think he's bad association----than you!
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Are you going to the memorial
by lillost ini was asked by my mother today "are you going to the memorial this year".
i declined most graciously and said thank you for thinking of me, and although i haven't been for the last eight years i thought no more of the ritual invitation.. then suddenly it dawned on me that my mothers response was quite abrupt and something along the lines of "well i have done my christian duty by asking you".
it was if she was literally washing the blood from her hands and she had tried to save me yet again.. has anyone else experienced this my mother has always talked to me with all civility about the "truth", i just wondered if there is new counsel now in how to deal with daughters and family that have fallen by the wayside.. appreciate your help.
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skipped 2002, went last year. Never going again. Done, done, done.
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Were you raised as a dub or did you convert?
by BLISSISIGNORANCE ini was a catholic all my life then in my early 30s i got baptized as a jw.
a friend of mine when in her 20s became a dub.
she always talked to me about the borg and troof and i listened.
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parents started studying when I was six months old. They baptized when I was four. I cried because I thought my Mom would have a beard (b/c in the yellow My Book of BS Jesus had a beard when he got baptized). I was baptized at 14, started to fade at 18...
PS: Talk about weird: just figured out eyeslice knows my family. He can attest to the fact that I come from a bunch of uberwits
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Add your own Proverb
by JH in.
the book of proverbs is full of wise proverbs that give good advice.
with your experience of life up to now, what proverb would you add to this book?
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fader
Here are some West African proverbs. We recently had a brown-bag lunch at work where we sat with our local colleagues and discussed traditional proverbs. Some of these are amusing, some don't make sense and some are very similar to American sayings.
West African Proverbs
1. You change your steps according to the rhythm of the drum.
2. Tasty soup draws seats to itself.
3. The person who goes to draw water does not drink mud.
4. The person who comes round to lick the soup pot will never be filled.
5. You stand on a crooked branch to cut a straight one.
6. The antelope does not wear the shoes of an elephant.
7. Knowledge is like a baobob tree; no one person can embrace it with both arms.
8. The knee does not wear a hat while the head is there.
9. What the eye has seen is what the hand goes after.
10. Love is like an egg; it breaks easily.
11. You do not set your yam barn on fire when you are hungry.
12. Every long journey has its destination.
13. The hand does not miss is its way to the mouth in the dark.
14. The person who is ever ready for war is never defeated.
15. The rainstorm indicates the position of the door of a house.
16. You do not bargain for a cat which is in a bag.
17. I am going to bathe, I am going bathe leads to not having your bath.
18. The antelope says size is not what matters, but the ability to make a tasty soup.
19. There is no quarrel between the eye and sleep.
20. Two calabashes on the same water are bound to touch each other at one time or another.
21. The chicken is never declared innocent in the court of hawks.
22. Dispute or any misdeed that is not checked leads to the disintegration of the family.
23. The goat places its white spot anywhere it likes on the body.
24. If you do not know how to escape, you must know how to hide yourself.
25. You pick up the tortoise where you find it.
26. The pig says that morning rain is the best.
27. Repetitive singing of one song makes it sour in the ear.
28. The new is woven onto the old.
29. The headgear comes from the home.
30. The cubs of leopards never lose their spots.
31. The antelope says you die a miserable death is your live only in one forest all your life.
32. The bird that is destined to live will grow feathers by all means.
33. One pole cannot build a house.
34. To be a mother of a delinquent child is better than to be barren.
35. You do not rejoice because the morning is good for you.
36. It is difficult to tell whether a swimmer is drowning or not.
37. It is a living tree that has vines around it.
38. Even is an okro plant is taller than a farmer, he bends it to pick its fruits.
39. The mouth must have enough to eat before it spills over into the beard.
40. The salt does not praise itself. It is difficult to wake up a person who is not sleeping/
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Which would you do? Either? Neither? Both?
by onacruse ina thought experiment:.
scene a: imagine you're at the controls of a trolley and the brakes have failed.
you're approaching a fork in the track at top speed.
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Scenario One: I'd switch tracks and hit just the one.
Scenario Two: I wouldn't do anything.
Haven't we all thought about what we would do if we were about to get in a car accident and had the choice of either swerving and hitting a pedestrian (probably killing him/her) or having a head on collision and running the risk of personal injury/death? It's a tough one for me actually, I'm not sure what I'd do. Probably swerve and hit the pedestrian, saving both my own sorry ass and the poor schmuck that would otherwise have the head-on collision with mne.
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Old email from an elder right before I DA'd myself
by Winston Smith :>D inafter reading shotgun's lovely meeting with his two helpful elders, i was inspired to go back and look at the time when i had the pleasure to meet with the elders.
it was a wonderful experience to observe first hand their stellar ability to reason on matters, to mask their investigations with "we missed you at the meeting, and to just be so damn condecsending.. .
man i'm glad i saved so many of my meetings with them on my computer.. .
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Where is shotgun's message
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Old email from an elder right before I DA'd myself
by Winston Smith :>D inafter reading shotgun's lovely meeting with his two helpful elders, i was inspired to go back and look at the time when i had the pleasure to meet with the elders.
it was a wonderful experience to observe first hand their stellar ability to reason on matters, to mask their investigations with "we missed you at the meeting, and to just be so damn condecsending.. .
man i'm glad i saved so many of my meetings with them on my computer.. .
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Where is shotgun's message
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...has Already Committed Adultery
by YoursChelbie inhere's my thoughts on why jesus said: .
"..it was said, 'you must not commit adultery.
' but i say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
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I was raised as a witness and received the standard witness sex education. I faded at age 18 for various reasons. I have had numerous sex partners, of both genders. I'm married to a wonderful man who is a non-witness. He and I have a great relationship. We decided that we would have an open marriage, meaning that both of us could have other sex partners. We do not equate sex with love. I love him dearly, we've been together for eight years. This arragement works for us, we both gain and have never had a bad experience with it. I consider myself a moral person, perhaps not by the teachings of the 'book' or the WTBTS. I don't consider having other sex partners cheating if my husband knows about it. We discuss it ahead of time. If he objects, then it doesn't happen. That to me is adultery: lying to your partner, not having sex with someone else. Dan Savage wrote an interesting book called "Skipping Towards Gomorrah". It's a good read, there's a chapter in there that deals with your average-middle-class Americans who have these types of marriages.
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Has anyone ever munched at the memorial?
by Sirius Dogma ini have always wanted to do that at a kingdom hall.
over the past few years i celebrated pesach (passover) with some jewish friends and it was so cool to be able to munch the food.
besides the jewish tradition was much more fun and was more like a party.
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My parents normally provided the wine and bread for the memorials when we were in third world countries. They also paid for flowers and other pretty things to do up the KH. MOst of the brothers were too poor to do any of that stuff. My parents always used my grandfathers homemade wine since it was 'pure'. I ate the bread a bunch of times afterwards. Tasted like nothing.
We had a tradition, ever since I was little, that following the memorial we would go out to dinner. I remember something coming out a few years ago how it's not appropriate to go out and party because it was supposed to be a somber day or somethign but we did it anyway.
One year (1994 maybe?), Milton Henschel gave our memorial talk in Rome. All three English congs came together and he gave the talk. Anyway since there weren't any anointed in the English circuit, everyone was fascinated to see someone partake. Some even took pictures. It was really weird!
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JWS IN INDIA,SABA, AND AUSTRALIA
by badboy inin india, many churches r`segrated' according2 caste eg.brahmin won't worship with`untouchables' .
is that a problem in khs?
i c in saba that the statistics haven't risen 4 some years,with only about 3 publishers,any1 know anything about that niche of the woods.
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Yes, there are witnesses in India and Pakistan (more so in India). Lots of them actually. Most witnesses seem to be upper classish, however members of all levels of the caste system were in my congregation in New Delhi. It was actually very utopian compared to what you'd see out in the streets.
India is where I began my slow fade, by the way.