and overall she was pretty good with the exception of the magazines she left at the very end.. now she has called and asked if we can get together, just us, for cokes on friday while i'm in town.
now, i know that she is going to witness to me and ask me if i love jehovah and tell me that if i do i should obey his commands.......and so on....and i will probably leave her feeling worthless.. i don't want to miss out on spending time with her because i really love my mother....but on the other hand i don't want to leave her depressed.... any suggestions?
One of the first ways I was able to share my thoughts with my dad was to have him read the August 8, 1988 AW with the cover article - gosh, I forget the exact title and I have it filed away somewhere - but it's like : IS YOUR RELIGION A MATTER OF CHOICE OR CHANCE? The whole first few articles are excellent in showing that just because our parents are of a certain religion, does not mean it will be OUR choice in life - it was written of course, for "worldly" people to be encouraged to not be afraid to leave the religion of their parents. When my dad read it - the first thing he asked was if my kids had read it - "because it can be taken the other way around!" Yes, it shows that our offspring will not always choose what we chose in regards religion - I also went over the entire article with two separate elders on the phone as I was trying to get them to help my dad understand - from the WTS's own literature - why I was allowing my teens to make a choice.
I don't know how to post the articles here, but I would really appreciate it if someone could do that - thank you
yesterday while mountain biking i came down a trail way too fast, slid, slipt and slided of a cliff and flew like a winged monkey from the wizard of oz into a patch of poison oak.
both my forearms are covered from wrist to elbow with the stuff.
My son has had very serious cases of poison oak almost annually, missing school sometimes for two weeks as he has been so swollen and monster like from head to toe. Tried everything over the years and his best testimonial goes to a pure aloe vera gel applied directly to the affected areas - it still has to run it's course, but this offered much relief and good healing/no scarring.
Don't forget to clean your bike - and all your cycling clothes, gloves, helmet and shoes especially - to remove any oils. We usually use Simple Green, or, if you get the tecnu, you can use that.
Our thoughts are with you as you try not to scratch
yes, i've been bitten by the bug and have decided to follow her example and enrol for university.. unfortunately, i don't get a student grant so i don't get to blow it all on beer and partying .
My best friend and roommate during our youthful JW years (WHEN WE SHOULDA BEEN IN COLLEGE), just graduated with a master's degree at 50 years old and I'm so proud of her - an inspiration to me indeed!
WALK ON - but, not IN, to JWdum - WITH OR WITHOUT HER -. (Actually, even if she leaves JW's, you will still have a tremendous amount of crap to deal with.)
Please don't ever think that living a lie- or a charade is the way to go. I just lived a lie of believing all the JW teachings during my 25 years of marriage to a non JW who DID convert for me. Recently, both of us along with our children - after all those years of doing what we thought would please the other within the religious (cult) arena - have left the cult with an exuberance never before experienced as we realize we are who we wish we had been all the years previous. One's true personality is buried within the JW belief system - as a matter of fact, you don't really even KNOW who your love truly IS at this point. If you think she is loyal to her religion, she has fooled you - since to be loyal would mean she would not have developed this relationship with you to begin with. She is living with a load of guilt.
25 years ago, my then to be husband was given a book on Cults by the pastor of his church and he was urged NOT to marry me. But, he was the hopeless romantic like you, we married, raised JW kids and we made it work - BUT.... the years wasted in the cult can never be brought back. Now, with the benefit of all these thoughts and experiences from others, I hope you will be able to make the decision you can live with happily for ever after.
i keep getting these forwards from certain ones who i knew in the org.
they know i have left because i was "discouraged".
they are keeping their distance by not writing to me anything personal, but keep sending these "encouraging" forwards in hopes that i'll be re-awakened, dust off the book bag and head on back to the old kh.
Excuse me, but that is one god awful sick poem ! That's the mindset of the cult - they are such" weak" people and need to get their f---king fix at 5 meetings a week, service etc, etc, etc,...........
That's exactly the mindset my dad lived under - the brothers came to the house to shoot him up with the scriptures, shared prayers, - he'd slump in his chair in a trance-like state and it was just like watching some heroin addict shoot up - then later, on the downside, without that 24/7 fix - the depression hits and the battery drained, you kill yourself while feeling you have no life left to keep up the fight against Satan and your "weaknesses".
Thanks for sharing it cybs - it has recharged my battery and nobody better show up at my door today to ENCOURAGE me!
Gosh, we had really looked forward to this film, but ended up being disappointed in it. We seemed to be the only people in the very crowded theatre that DID catch some of the funny parts tho and laughed. It was somewhat shallow and kinda hokey - Matthew Broderick was questionable in his role and we didn't feel much for the characters. Faith Hill needs to stick with her singing career - Bette Midler was the best of the bunch. We don't think the movie will make it big as a summer hit, but it may boost rentals/sales of the original film.
I was that girl once (or more). The guys finally realized the differences were just too dramatic to build their life around and moved on. They were very wise to do so and 25 & 30 years later, we now talk about it together and I assure them they made the right decision.
So sorry for the difficult time you are facing ~ I know it hurts so deeply to see a parent suffering and afflicted with a condition that you can't change. Just be there for each other and your mom will feel your love for her. I will send positive thoughts your way.
fisrt i am not a jw anymore,i was basicaly raised in the jw faith,from age 6 to age 16,then i left,then i got married,my new wife wanted to know about jw's,so i took her to the meetings,now,when i went back i saw what they they had taught me as a child,all the same,i saw things that were not to my likeing,or what i thought were right ,but i still remained,i can only say this about the jw's,they are people like everyone else,they dont beleive in killing other people,,they dont dont beleive fornication,,theifvery,you all here know all this,so go ahead and throw stones at them,they to me are no different than any other people trieng to be good in a wild and wicked world,so what if they teach isnt tasteful to you,get over it,how many jew's didnt like what the jewish preist taught?i have met many other ex jw's,all whineing and wimpering about how jw's did this and did that,guys and gals,it was the jehovah that did it,it was the people you were in direct contact with,(non perfect humans)its the same as when you were in school,maybe a teacher didnt teach you everything you needed to know,well there is a libiray in schools,they have all the books so you can learn on your own,now i noticed some of you here have learned a lot,butbut if think your gonna just get by ,by hearing what some what says is truth,you can forget that,you got a big surprise waiting for you.even though i am not a jw.i do defend them,as i do any faihful regilous person who realy beleives in what they beleive in,you have to remember the main deal is ,god reads the hearts of the people ,so no matter who or where they are,he knows all he needs to know,there is nothing he doesnt see,and with that you should know that what ever you want to think or beleive,he see;s inside your heart,he knows if you or we ,are earnest in what we are doing,so thats all that matters,and i also must admit,jw's did open my eyes to a lot things ,such as all the faslehoods in the world,all the traditions of man,all there pagonistist rituals intertwined into the holidays of today,so i can asume some of you just got pissed off because you cant do the birthday thing ,(as my fleshly brother did) and christmas,all that other crap,but who cares anyways,money is the key of the world,and jw's never hid that fact,in fact i was raised to work hard and make money,to support my family,feed and clothe them,and all that goes with it,dont cheat and lie or steal,dont do drugs,dont be a drunkard,dont adultriate,fornicate,you all know the teachings,once again go ahead and bash them with stones,they did nothing good what so ever,all they did was screw up everyones mind,yeh right,like i said get over it,if you dont want to be a jw,fine do as i did leave them,they wont stop you,but you cant blame them for trieng to do what they beleive in,most not all of the ex jw's i have met try so hard to find fault with them,well you know what ,it easy to find fault in every one on this planet,no one is perfect,now what do you think of jehovah is the main issue not the ones telling about him,(when who else would)all the other groups do is try to hide that name,try to pull you into there churchs to get that 10th tideing thing,never once did i feel like i had to give anything to the jw's,in fact many of them (the people) did nothing short of bend over backwards to help me in many ways,but either way,you all read it,you all here know it,just like the book said,no one will have an excuse to say they didnt know,at least you did get a good teaching and learning of how to read the bible,for yourselves,you can call me an apostate, or what ever you want,it doesnt matter to me at all,i know what the thruth is,and i dont need any group of people to make me feel complete in life,call me anti social if you want,but i dont have to worry about aids,or getting robbed by friends(so called)dont have to worry about much of anything,i call on the name of jehovah ,and he heres me,he even answers me,and yes he helps me in every way of my life,the entire message that the jw's teach is call on jehovah,he is there for you all,and you dont have to in the jehovah's wittness's for him to hear you,i could go on and on,but i wont,probily wont even post here or read any replies of my post,i just stumbled across this site,and figured i would my 2 cents in,so i say now,live long and prosper,be well and happy all of humanity is my wish,thank you for place to post it host
I don't know what the question was that you are supplying an answer to, and I can't help but wonder what kind of school you went to during your formative JW years. Your spelling is deplorable.
a c.o in one of his friday night talks noticed when he was invited for meals at the brothers and sisters homes that everyone has their chairs and sofa's pointed at the direction of the television set and asked why do people do that.
then he went on to strongly suggest that everyone change this and either have their furniture pointed somewhere else or get rid of the television.
