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  Installment # 6 - Submarine Witnesses and the Lack of Brotherly Love

  by AK - Jeff in

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  lawence sperry piloted and demonstrated the first auto-pilot controls for an aircraft in 1914, the same year that, according to the watchtower organization, god's kingdom took over automatic control of the heavens.. auto-pilot systems do not work well in turbulent conditions, and in our case, the spiritual auto-pilot that had kept us just gliding along without much thought from 1975 till the early 80's had to be cut off, and flight had to be controlled manually at about that time.

  i was working for a group of witness 'brothers' then, striping cars and adding automotive aftermarket products for new car dealers.

  the men i worked for were good people, but lousy businessmen.

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  zack

  Jeff:

  I can't tell you how many times I would shake my head in disgust at the things an elder body put into these letters when families would

  move in. I remember one brother who moved in who had served as the PO of his cong. in the Northeast for almost 30 years, raised a family,

  used responsibly at the circuit level. At 62 he was burned out. He was moving to our area with a warmer climate and lower taxes, etc.... and

  had told his body that he would be busy with his move and wouldn't be available for any responsibilities. Well, his house took longer to sell

  than he anticipated and he hung around almost a year "doing nothing." (words directly from the letter) Long story short, they wrote that this man,

  whom we had never laid eyes on, "was a drunk, did not preside over his household in a fine manner (because his wife was in our area and he was still

  looking after the house and working), and was doing nothing in the congregation in the way of helping the other brothers lighten their load of work." They did not recommend him.

  I was appalled, frankly ashamed, that I was even privy to hearing these things about someone I hadn't even met. And when I did meet him and have dinner with him and go in service

  with him and spoke with his wife, what did I learn about him? He was kind, humble, unpretentious, smart as a whip, a great dad and grandfather, a loyal husband.

  He is the kind of man you want as a minister of others. As an elder and a JW all my life I can tell you sincerely, that some of the worst moments of my life were

  spent in elder's meetings. I would go home and feel a huge weight on chest. I'd be stressed. I felt so WRONG about what was done, I felt so ashamed of

  how cavalierly elder's would talk about the pubs., and how they would discuss the details of a person's intimate affairs. I thought it was just human failing. Now I know better.

  It was Satan transforming himself into an angel light. God's spirit is no where to be found in a meeting of a body of Jehovah's Witness elders. I seriously doubt their prayers reach the

  ceiling of their meeting room, let alone heaven.
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  Legal wrangling concerning the Governing Body today from my mom.

  by restrangled in

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  she stated that the attorney handling her estate, because of florida law could not take the "death requests form, from the society" because of the case concerning terry shiavo.

  (the attorney handling my mom's case is not a witness and she was furious that she was asked to sign a document stating that if the governing body changed their minds on something this would apply to her.. what is strange is that an outside attorney would have a document like this.

  is anyone aware of this?.

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  zack

  It would be great to get a copy of that document and see exactly what they wanted her to sign over. Perhaps she was signing over parts of her estate, control over assets, etc...

  Many witnesses donate assets as a loan that can re recalled at any time from the Society. Whatever it is, it sounds nefarious.

  Keep on the watch!
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  Have you let go of waiting for Armageddon?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  although, after experiencing many disappointments and failed dates, i cannot let go and i cannot dismiss the expectation that god will intervene somehow.

  i still hold on, hoping that maybe i will not experience sheol and neither will some of my loved ones.

  how about you?

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  A great deal of the peace I feel after learning the truth abouth the troof, is letting go of the fear. "Love throws fear outside." Now, I let God worry

  about eternity, and I worry about the time he's given to me in this life. And the time in this life is too short to spend even one minute worrying about an

  event, that quite frankly, no one really understands. I spend my time living and not obsessing about NOT dieing.
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  Skipped another meeting!

  by zack in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so yesterday my wife says she is a little stressed.

  i, being the considerate fellow that i am, asked her what's wrong.

  she said that my not going to meetings regularly was.

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  The lack of guilt is the best. Before, missing a meeting felt a little like playing hookey. I'll have to go to a few more from time to time and of course I'll be at the Memorial,

  but the die is cast. Thanks all!
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  Legal wrangling concerning the Governing Body today from my mom.

  by restrangled in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  she stated that the attorney handling her estate, because of florida law could not take the "death requests form, from the society" because of the case concerning terry shiavo.

  (the attorney handling my mom's case is not a witness and she was furious that she was asked to sign a document stating that if the governing body changed their minds on something this would apply to her.. what is strange is that an outside attorney would have a document like this.

  is anyone aware of this?.

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  zack

  Sounds like DPA the Society "encourages" all its members to have. It is a durable power of attorney, but not all states accept the same language.

  I'll have to ask for one and read the fine print. And yes, it is unconscienceable for the GB to insert language of that sort in a legal instrument.
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  Skipped another meeting!

  by zack in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so yesterday my wife says she is a little stressed.

  i, being the considerate fellow that i am, asked her what's wrong.

  she said that my not going to meetings regularly was.

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  zack

  So yesterday my wife says she is a little stressed. I, being the considerate fellow that I am, asked her what's wrong. She said that my not going to meetings regularly was

  stressing her out. I said that I could not possibly continue to go to all the meetings for the next 30 years as I had for the preceding 40 years. But that I certainly would never

  discourage her from going or even suggest it. SO, today she came home with a migraine. Last week she had a migraine. The week before the same. It's meeting night. I am seeing a

  pattern develop. I tell you, resistance is best served up with sweetness. And I am now relaxing, reading and posting amongst the unwashed, feeling guiltless and just a little

  optimistic. Perhaps someday I shall be FREE---- AT LAST!
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  Legal wrangling concerning the Governing Body today from my mom.

  by restrangled in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  she stated that the attorney handling her estate, because of florida law could not take the "death requests form, from the society" because of the case concerning terry shiavo.

  (the attorney handling my mom's case is not a witness and she was furious that she was asked to sign a document stating that if the governing body changed their minds on something this would apply to her.. what is strange is that an outside attorney would have a document like this.

  is anyone aware of this?.

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  zack

  What form is this, exactly?
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  If you were to ask a JW these questions what would they say?

  by TooBad TooSad in

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  who do think is going to be destroyed at armageddon?.

  when do you think armageddon is really coming?.

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  zack

  Why is Armageddon LITERAL, yet Revelation is symbolic? How do you cherry pick what you want to be literal? (Is what I would ask a JW)
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  OK now, I'm really an apostate

  by dawg in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so, i go to my jw uncle's funeral for obvious reasons!

  after the funeral my family invites me to dinner, something we haven't done for some time (probably 8 years or so) as i'm considered disassociated not disfellowshipped.

  i guess this is allowed per the new jw policy but since that crap changes from time to time i'm not sure.

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  zack

  The Wt teachings are not only anti-Christ but anti-family. I know Ray Franz wrote in CoC that they were "victims of victims." In a sense i agree. However, every person

  needs to take responsibility for what they do individually. And when as individuals they decide to treat you or anyone else badly, then they are accountable. "I was only

  following orders" won't sell in the end. They'll have an accounting. I am sorry they treated you badly. All the best yo you.
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  Do you think that "JW's" will get rid of the "Paradise earth" doctrine?

  by booker-t in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  with all of the changes regarding the 1935 closing of the heavenly calling that jw's taught for over 70 years what will be the next thing to go in their doctrinal system.

  will they one day say"we were wrong the earth is going to burn up and all christians will go to heaven".

  russell was right after all and yes the "great crowd" will indeed go to heaven.nothing suprises me anymore with the jw's.

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  zack

  The "Live Forever on Paradise Earth", as has been said, is the magnet of the WTS. Can they change it? Sure. They can do anything they want. But will they? I don't think

  so. It's THE LAST hope of those alive in the Org. and the ONLY hope of those close to the grave---- Paradise through the UNDERGROUND route. And it's also a hude source

  for the emotional blackmail they use on members: If you leave the ORg. you won't see you're dead loved ones again!

  The WTS is sick.