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  special talk 15.3.07 - what is official position on earthquakes?

  by jeanV in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a lot of 1914, how jw's (then known as bible studends) anticipated it was a marked year.

  ever since things are going bad, wars, wars and wars, food shortages, pestilences and earthquakes.

  here the speaker mentions that earthquakes have increased tremendously since 1914. oh oh oh where did he get it?

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  zack

  JW's possess their own set of facts. All manufactured, of course,
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  Will JWs leave the org because of accelerated doctrine change?

  by cultswatter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  looks like the wts is morphing into a totally diferent religion.

  they are trying to get new converts any way they can at the same time they are trying to patch previous doctrine in an attempt to give the illusion of true prophecy.. hey wts, no matter what you do it won't work.

  the 1914 date is pure fiction, so is 1918/19.

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  zack

  The religion today bears no semblance to the one CT Russell started.

  And as was said earlier, JW's are not happy. They once had hope, and hope can bring joy in the face of even the worst circumstances. The Jw's I know do not

  have any joy. They thought they'd never grow old and die. Guess what? They're old and dieing--- same as everyone else, except they have to carry the load

  the GB have placed on them.
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  Report on Todays special talk

  by stillajwexelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ok - so special talk today - you can feel safe in a troubled world.

  15 minutes devoted to to how bad things are.

  iraq and usa were headlined and 1914 was mentioned > 20 times.

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  zack

  JW: "Spiritual Paradise" (the Org. is way of salvation)

  Jesus: I am the way, the truth, and the life.

  Why didn't I see it earlier?

  Same talk and emphasis on earthquakes, 194, etc... I think they must have had a letter with this talk about staying strictly with the outline.

  OTWO: I agree this is a warm up for the DC's this summer: doom and gloom and follow the FDS under the direction of the GB.
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  Christians could and did. Can JWs? Do they?

  by ANewLeif in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there are many things the bible says christians could do and things the bible describes christians doing that, according to their doctrine, jws can't do.. christians could talk directly to jesus.

  (acts 7:54-60; acts 9:3-16) can you?

  christians could decide for themselves which days they chose to observe without any fear of religious retribution.

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  Jehovahs Witnesses are not Christians. Their leaders have taken away the natural inclination of any beleiver to want to be with Christ, instead replacing it

  with the false hope of never having to die and tap dancing into "Paradise." How can ANYONE be a Christian who does not confess union with Christ? According

  to Jesus, it is not possible. Jehovah's Witnesses do not confess union with Christ. What they do confess is association with the "brothers'' of Christ, who in turn

  bless the average JW by letting them do all the WORKS that their doctrines command. Jehovahs Witnesses believe in two seperate and distinct destinies for their

  believers: heaven for the rulers, Earth for the ruled. Christians believe in one faith, one hope, one baptism. I should know, since I was a JW my entire life, as pioneer,

  as elder. I know what they teach becuase I used to teach it. And I KNOW that I did not teach Christianity. I taught Watchtowerism. I taught doctrines of men. I taught a

  lie for almost all my life convinced it was the truth. I thank God for showing me mercy and allowing me to see my error.
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  Questioning Armageddon. How can wife hang onto the Bible? (If she wants to)

  by Open mind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah wiping out 99.99% of humanity, babies included, is a "problem" or "question" that i think can be very powerful to use with jw family.

  especially when presented from a "i just really have a problem with this idea at a gut level" standpoint.. but i haven't used it with my wife (yet) because i see it as a slippery slope that leads to "jesus believed the whole flood story" so i guess we need to throw out the whole bible.

  (which, btw, is the very slope i have gone down.

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  The "Armageddon" that JW's teach, and many other religions as well, IS NOT in the Bible. The JW's have taken a symbolic event in a symbolic book of the

  Bible which many of the Bishops at the Council of Nicea had doubts about, and have cherry picked what events to deem "literal" . Much like the 144k. One word

  in one book of the Bible given as a "vision" and these guys had us all scared to death.
  
  Easy on the wife, though. Good luck.
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  "You'll never even get to finish school in this System of Things....."

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this statement was often echeod to me during my formative years.

  i remember my very first day of elementary school (stateside) at the age of 4. my parents were flustered because they couldn't believe they actually had to start their only child into public school to begin with; after all, the end was right around the corner!

  this was 1984, the year the first apple mac was introduced, 80's music was loud and in your face, the delorean was cool, and miami vice was just in production.

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  The blame can go to and squarely rest on the teachings of a religion that claims divine appointment. These men are responsible, utterly and totally,

  for all they said, did, taught, published, demanded, encouraged, etc... because they did so in the name of Almighty God as agents of the same. They abbrogated

  to themselves the authority of God and stole for themselves that most precious and fragile possesion of the true believer: their faith.
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  Participation - Commenting - Answering-Up

  by IMHO in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  call it what you want.

  is it a privilege?

  considering most do not want to do it given the choice.

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  Tom Sawyer not only got his friends to whitewash his fence, he got them to PAY for the privilege, and got out of doing his own chores.

  The JW's are just as slick. What are considered privileges are actually work. Who wants any extra work? Hardly anyone.

  It's also used as a system of reward and punishment, especially for the JW male.
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  Could This Kill The "Preaching Work"?

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.insuranceboard.org/press/covenant_winter2005.pdf.

  http://drustevenson.blogspot.com/2005/02/more-church-liability-17m-for-van.html.

  i believe that the society - and its lawyers - are agonizing over this trend in the us.

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  Hi gas prices will kill the preaching work around here for sure.
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  Silly Things You Can Do For Which Jehovah Will Kill You...

  by gaiagirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking about all the various people who the bible says have been killed by jehovah or his angels for various acts of disobedience.

  here are a few of the ones i thought of....feel free to add your own eating a piece of fruit (slow death, 930 years) picking up some sticks on the sabbath preventing the ark of the covenant from falling when the guy carrying it stumbles living in a city where your family has lived for generations, in a region where jehovah has "given" the land to his "chosen" people dancing for your victorious warrior father, not knowing he has vowed to offer the first one out of the house as a burnt offering.

  disagreeing with moses

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  Perry:

  Are you sure you are on the right site? None of what I read here seems to be directed at the Creator, but rather at the "God" of the Hebrews, which they may

  have in fact manufactured and used to justify their own imperialism and misdeeds. Do you think it is any accident that the priesthood was given to Aaron? He

  was Moses' brother, dude. Nothing like a little nepotism, huh? Men have used "God" as a front for centuries, what makes you think the jews were any different?
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  Convince me

  by Liza in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am highly considering becoming a jehovah's witness.

  i have been raised in the congregration, but left it when i was a child because my mom left too, but we still retatined the core belifs including the ressurection and the blasphemous pagan influence on mainstream churches.

  my mom has recently returned to the congregation, and it has helped her a lot.

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  zack

  I was born in the religion, raised in it, pioneered, and served as an elder. If you are looking for a highly structured group that believes legalism is the

  way to salvation, then JW's are for you. But beware, and many prior have said this more eloquently, you must leave your rational mind at the door because

  never again will you be allowed to "think". Every lapse in logic, every contradiction, every intrusion into your life, every foray into speculation on the part

  of the FDS will be off limits to your mind, and more importantly, your conscience. You will be asked to behave in a way which at times will shame you inwardly, as

  well it should, because you will be told to obey on pain of everlasting destruction the dictates of men you will never know, even if it means treating your fellowman with comtempt.

  And just as an aside, the Divine Name was given to the Jews and they were told in no uncertain terms to NEVER take the name of their God in a worthless way. Their

  reluctance over time to pronounce the Divine name did not stem from "superstition" but from a very real fear of being struck dead by YHWH. After all, the keeping

  of the Sabbath was also part of the 10 Commandments and a man found to be picking up sticks for firewood on a Sabbath Day was put to death early in the

  history of the nation. Picking up sticks for kindling---- the 10 Commandments were pretty absolute. So who was to say what was "a worthless way" when it came

  to using the "Name"? I think most Jews did not want to risk finding out. Ergo, they slowly quit using it.

  Do you want to be a Jew or a Christian? Could not Christ pronounce the Divine name? Sure. Yet it is not recorded in Scipture. JW's place way too much emphasis on the use of the

  mispronounced name of YHWH, villify others for not using it, and yet they follow not the example of Christ who simply called Him "Father."

  Want to be a JW? Go ahead. But take the advice they are always so free in giving and "count the cost" first.