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  If you could ask an elder your questions

  by Heather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what question do you want to ask or have you asked that would stump or have stumped an elder?

  i'm in the position where my mom wants me to come back and wants me to have my questions answered (even though she has dodged most of mine) so that i will once again see its the truth and want to return.

  so i'm going to set a meeting with an elder to see if he would be willing to attempt to answer some of my questions to prove to me beyond a doubt that i'm in the wrong.

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  zack

  Elders are NEVER to be trusted. Their loyalty is to the WatchTower Fuhrer. Those with integrity and human decency, resign. I did.
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  Why 6 Billion People Deserve to Die in Armageddon

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah is such a righteous, merciful, loving god -- slow to anger, overflowing with loving kindness and blessing.

  yet it somehow bothers many of you that he will shortly execute his judgment on mankind and wipe out 99.9% of the world's population, as if that somehow is supposed to conflict with his loving qualities.

  personally, i have no idea why many of you feel this way.

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  As a kid i always saw myself as part of the destroyed ones. Now i know why.

  This was great.
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  "They don't even know what they believe!" -- JW

  by AlmostAtheist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a jw once said (more than once, probably) in regards to members of other faiths, "they don't even know what they believe!

  " i know that's a legitimate quote from a real jw because i'm the one that said it.

  i often found that the people i met in field service would claim to be a catholic or a methodist or whatever, but wouldn't have a clue about the beliefs of their church.

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  zack

  Very true. JW's DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE. I mentioned to my wife this week that the FDS demands submission as a condition to salvation and she was adamant that

  that wasn't true. She had gone to the Watchtower study and I specifically called out the paragraph to her where they said it was a "christian's sacred duty" to obey the FDS.

  She insisted that wasn't what the paragraph meant, even though it was clearly one of many paragraphs in the same study article demanding, although with sophistry and subtlety,

  obedience from the flock to them if the flock wanted salvation. I could so clearly see the brainwashing. It was frightening. I had to beg off from our chat because I was so stunned. I had

  thought I was making progress.
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  The Narrow Road

  by zack in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wts claims that the narrow road christ spoke of was the "one true" religion that many would forsake in exchange for all the "false" religions which are.

  are "permissive" and teach "god dishonring lies.".

  i always accepted this as a dub.. do any of you think it is possible that the "narrow" road is in fact the abandoning of all man made religious systems and the taking on for one self.

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  zack

  Thanks thus far. Narkissos, special thanks. I have always enjoyed your posts and the time you take to post a well reasoned reply.
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  The Narrow Road

  by zack in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wts claims that the narrow road christ spoke of was the "one true" religion that many would forsake in exchange for all the "false" religions which are.

  are "permissive" and teach "god dishonring lies.".

  i always accepted this as a dub.. do any of you think it is possible that the "narrow" road is in fact the abandoning of all man made religious systems and the taking on for one self.

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  zack

  The WTS claims that the narrow road Christ spoke of was the "one true" religion that many would forsake in exchange for all the "false" religions which are

  are "permissive" and teach "God dishonring lies."

  I always accepted this as a dub.

  Do any of you think it is possible that the "narrow" road is in fact the ABANDONING OF ALL MAN MADE RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS and the taking on for one self

  the responsibility and burden of that decision? Instead of being tied into a group, an organization, an umbrella whereby thinking and conscience is surrendered to others

  and we are either approoved or disapproved by others, the individual walking his own path and making decisions in life based upon his conscience and taking responsibility for those

  decisions--- is that the narrow road?

  I ask because during my fade it has occured to me that the message of Jesus was pretty simple, really. So simple, in fact, that many people professing faith in him

  cannot accept that you need follow only him. Love and faith are the only compass one needs, really, for according to him the "helper" (the SPIRIT) would then teach you all other things.

  But that road is narrow and not often traveled BECAUSE so many are afraid to walk it alone. It is just a though and I would appreciate your own.
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  Truly disgusting plead for cash in KM School this week

  by MinisterAmos in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i wish i had posted this earlier so you guys could have gone to school this week to check it out, but the km school was a long winded plea plea for cash donations, reminding us that "jehovah will be grateful".. how i wanted to raise my hand and ask if the great need was related to paying off the child molestors or ask what happened to the$100s of millions from the property sale, or ask why they needed money after kicking out all the bethelites (two booted bethel couples in the congo).

  anyway you guys missed a good laugh.

  if anyone wants i'll post the km magazine.

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  They spend $110 MILLION on what? They do no charitable work at all. They do not help the needy, feed the poor, sustain the widow. They

  have no ministry for the sick, no clinics for children. Nothing.

  Where is the money going? Perhaps defending lawsuits is the true answer after all.
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  The "Great Crowd of Other Sheep Idiots"???

  by R.F. in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  at a recent public talk, the visiting brother, a retired co, was going on and on about how much we need the fds.

  one point he used that really annoyed me was his reasoning that with the "dwindling" number of anointed and the increasing number of great crowd, that the org has made simpler wt articles so that the great crowd can understand better.

  he said that wt articles in decades past were much more of a harder read for the gc.. so are prospective members of the "great crowd" supposed to be a bunch of numbskull, intellectually inferior idiots that can't walk and breathe at the same time without instruction from the fds?.

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  The reason the publications have no imagination in them is the crackdown on psychedelic drugs in New York in the past 15 years or so. I hear they have tried

  to get peyote but have so alienated the southwestern congs. that no one is willing to send them their stash.
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  Elders and their wives/families

  by sweet pea in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i used to wonder just how did elders and wives cope with all that the borg demanded from them (late meetings after the meetings, shepherding, attending/items at assemblies, ministry etc, etc)- did you guys ever feel resentful or sad that you weren't spending more time with your soul mate/family?

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  zack

  The most wasted time of my life was elder's meetings. Most of the time they were just boring. And more to the point, a total waste of time.

  Did I mention they were a waste of time? I could have been fishing.
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  If you could know when the end was coming, would you want to know?

  by avidbiblereader in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would you or do you feel you couldn't function the closer it arrived?.

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  abr.

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  zack

  I never to subscribed to the "end" being on a schedule. I always thought it was more of like baking a cake. You put it in the oven for 30 minutes just like the directions say but you still have to take it out and put a fork in it to see if the batter is really cooked. Once it's baked thoroughly, then it's done.

  However, the end ala JW teaching is not something I believe in anymore. Though, if I did, I would want to know the same way most people want to know how much time they have left when they're diagnosed with a terminal illnes.
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  Why alaways the 2nd or "Greater" fulfillment of prophecy?

  by zack in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the things (among many) that always bugged me about the wts, was their insistence on biblical prophecies always having a .

  2nd or greater fulfillment.

  always, like everything else about the wts, it was based on conjencture.

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  zack

  One of the things (among many) that always bugged me about the WTS, was their insistence on Biblical prophecies always having a

  2nd or greater fulfillment. ALWAYS, like everything else about the WTS, it was based on conjencture. But the WTS is not the only group

  that ascribes a "greater" fulfillment to prophecy. If the prophecy was made to Isreal or the nations surrounding it, why not just accept it? And if they

  beleive in the Bible and they(they being any believer regardless of affilaition) beleive Jesus was the fulfillment of Law and Prophecy, why not accept that the prophetic statements were

  fulfilled by and/or in his time?