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  Let's Discuss Ray Franz's Books

  by Recovery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been repeatedly pleaded with to read the books of ray franz in my short stay on this board.

  apparently these are all the all-powerful, wt crushing arguments, that lead so many to leave jw's and become ruthless opposers of god's people.

  we can discuss any claims/statements/scriptural arguments presented in either of his books, as long as it somehow proves jehovah's witnesses are not god's people.

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  Athanasius

  It doesn't look like Recovery has really recovered from the JW mindset. He didn't become a Watchtower slave overnight. So for him to break free of Watchtower slavery it will take more than a couple of visits to this forum.
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  Jehovah's Christian Witnesses

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how much do you want to bet, that in the next year or two, the governing body will get "new light" and change their name to jehovah's christian witnesses"?.

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  Athanasius

  You are correct, EmptyInside. There is a schismatic sect of Jehovah's Witnesses that goes by the name Jehovah's Christian Witnesses. I think there is a small group of them in the Seattle area. By the way shortly after the Rutherford coup in 1917, a group of Bible Students broke away from the Watchtower. They were called the Stand Fast movement and they were mostly located in the Pacific Northwest of the U.S. and British Columbia in Canada. So it's possible that the JWs from that part of the country are more independent in their thinking.

  Maybe there are some ex-JWs from Washington State that have more information on the JCWs.
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  Question: Why would the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society "launder" money?

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have a question for any legal or tax experts out there.

  i have read a number of experiences about the wtbt$ moving money rapidly from one account to another.

  overnight parking of huge sums, from one enity to another, to local congr, etc.

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  It would be interesting if one could get hold of the Watchtower's inhouse Financial Statements, as this would indicate whether the Society is involved in money laundering or not. After all, who are their vendors and what are their actual expenses?

  The Watchtower can make large cash deposits without raising suspicion, due to what they claim to take in from their conventions. Moreover, there isn't any law that says the Watchtower can't pay twice or three times the market rate for goods and services. Since the Watchtowers Accounts Payable journal is not open for public audit, there is no way for us to know if it contains suspicious payments to companies linked to organized crime.

  Again, I'm not saying that the Watchtower launders money for outside interests, still the opportunity is there.
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  Who else, besides me?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  over the years on jwn i have often found myself hunting through posts of newcomers, hoping against hope i suppose, that the newbie would be one of my former friends in the local congregation down the street.. i just find it hard to imagine that not a soul among these people has taken the courage to investigate their religion and leave like my wife and i have done.. as the local 'active apostate', i also supposed that at any moment some of the 'brothers' would come covertly to my home, knock and say something like " i am out - please let's talk about it, why i left, why you left.

  but, none of the above has ever happened.

  i did come across a local former jw here, from another congregation, and we have become good friends over the past few years.

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  I know of only one person from my old congregation who is a member of JWN and she hasn't posted in a while. Though I know that she would never go back to the JWs. Most likely she has gone on with her life.

  However, I was at the non-JW memorial service for my sister this afternoon and there were several in attendance for our old congregation who had left the JWs. I would guess that in the US there are just as many ex-JWs as there are active JWs.
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  The REMOVAL of many books

  by irondork in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i understand the wts encouraged or instructed the congregations to dispose of all books printed before the year ????

  they didn't want this old light (aka.

  apostate literature) floating around their libraries.. did these instructions come via a wt article or was it a letter to the elders?

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  Back in 1978 we had an elder who came back from the two week elders school with information regarding the Kingdom Hall library. He claimed that the instructor said that only Watchtower publications should be in the KH library. I had attended the same school the year before and no such instruction was given. Having been the TMS overseer I had placed a number on non-Watchtower Biblical and historical reference works in the KH library. I guess I was pretty liberal for a JW back then as I placed Hugh J. Schonfield's "The Passover Plot" in the KH library.

  Well this elder, claiming a mandate given him by the recent elders school, purged the library of all non-Watchtower publications. Fortunately there were several JW families who were more enlightened than the elder and they took in all the purged publications and were thankful to have them. I left the JWs in 1984 so I don't know if these families are still JWs.

  However, a couple of years after the KH library purge a CO said that non-Watchtower publications of Biblical and historical value could be included in the KH library. Though I doubt that he would have approved of "The Passover Plot." But anyone who has served on the BOE knows there is always that hot shot elder who takes any instruction from the GB to the extreme.
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  Silentlambs says Watchtower's Assets frozen only for a very short time

  by chichimama_2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  found here.

  https://www.facebook.com/williamh.bowen.

  highlights mine.

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  Athanasius

  The Watchtower would probably pay for the congregation. If they didn't and the elders had to pay up there would be a flood of elder resignations. After that no sane person would want to face the financial liabilities of being an elder.
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  Should Barbara Anderson Write a Book?

  by Scott77 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  if yes, would you buy it?

  what would be the suggested topic for the book?

  any idea are welcome.. .

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  Hi Sic Semper Tyrannis. Rutherford campaigned for Grover Cleveland in 1892, William Jennings Bryan in 1896 and 1900, and Alton Parker in 1904. After 1904 Rutherford dropped out of Democratic Party politics and got involved in Bible Student politics.
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  Should Barbara Anderson Write a Book?

  by Scott77 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  if yes, would you buy it?

  what would be the suggested topic for the book?

  any idea are welcome.. .

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  Athanasius

  Hi Slimfatboy.

  I've been working on a biography of Rutherford and have completed 14 chapters on his early life. Unfortunately due other responsibilities I have not had the time to complete the Rutherford saga. If I'm ever able to publish the JWs will be surprised at how deeply Rutherford was involved in Democratic Party politics.
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  Catholics! Why did u choose your religion?

  by umadevi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i went to a local catholic church on good friday with a catholic friend.

  i observed that there was a lot of rituals involved.

  i am interested to know why you choose this religion.

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  Hi Nice Dream.

  In the Episcopal (Anglican) Church in the United States Communion is open to all babtised Christians, JWs included. My priest said that my JW baptism was valid so I took Communion. However, just to be safe, I was conditionally baptised and confirmed in the Episcopal Church.
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  Catholics! Why did u choose your religion?

  by umadevi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i went to a local catholic church on good friday with a catholic friend.

  i observed that there was a lot of rituals involved.

  i am interested to know why you choose this religion.

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  Athanasius

  After leaving the JWs I attended a number of religious services before converting to the Episcopal (Anglican) Church. Also known as Anglo-Catholic or Catholic Lite. The Anglican Mass is similar to the Roman Catholic and while the JWs would call it useless ritual I find it helpful in satifying my spiritual needs. But don't the JW also have useless rituals like door to door Watchtower and book sales? Moreover, most of the people in the Anglican Communion are genuine and their love and support of others is not conditional like the JWs.

  My wife is a Russian Orthodox Christian and I've attended Orthodox services with her. I've found that Orthodoxy has just as many, if not more rituals than the Anglican Church. But again the people are very loving and genuine.

  I should also mention that when I travel and can't find an Anglican or Orthodox Church, I've attended Roman Catholic services and have been warmly greeted. The priest even allowed me to take communion. All he asked of me was: "Are you separated from your pastor? Do you believe in the Divine Presence?" When I answered yes to both questions, he said I could take communion. Nothing was asked about the FDS or if I believed that Jehovah is using the Watchtower as his visible organization.