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blacksheep
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Torture to find WMD?
by Greenpalmtreestillmine indo you think those iraqi's were tortured to find wmd?.
the rank and file soldier was following the orders of the hired interrogation contractors (who are outside of military law) to soften up the prisoners.
what were they looking for this past year?
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blacksheep
I suspect you and Yeru confuse simpletonism and acting tough with "moral clarity". Just because someone will not change their mind, no matter how stupid their position, no matter how bad their decisions prove to be, does not mean that person has "moral clarity". And just because someone labels their actions with words that pertain to morality, does not mean that person actually is moral.
Cannot speak for Yeru, but people who have been in positions of power UNDERSTAND what "moral clarity" means. You have the courage to do do things that are right, even though you are besieged with doubters, detractors, hand-wringers, flighty fearful people, at every turn.
In any case, no one asked you or Yeru to define moral clarity. The request was for a description and example of Bush's moral clarity.
So I went above and beyond to clarify what moral clarity is NOT. People who have a natural sense of right versus wrong often just take it for granted that everyone else has that sense. Not everyone does. Sorta like the reason I left the JW's. They were WRONG. In my heart/soul I knew they were wrong. No vacillating, no, "Well, I did this at the time, and I should be considered a hero, but now I know I was really a war criminal and hate what I did."
Liberals cannot STAND the fact that Kerry is such a lost soul. Such a vacillating person with no moral compass.
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Torture to find WMD?
by Greenpalmtreestillmine indo you think those iraqi's were tortured to find wmd?.
the rank and file soldier was following the orders of the hired interrogation contractors (who are outside of military law) to soften up the prisoners.
what were they looking for this past year?
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Not Yeru, but I'll offer my 2 cents.
Moral: of or relating to principles of right and wong in behavior
Clarity: teh quality or state of being clear.
Kerry cannot even manage to figure out whether he's a war hero or whether he's a war criminal.
The man's a Hamlet. He consitently flip flops. He's unsure. He consistently vacillates. He lacks vision. He's NOT a leader. Frankly, if you do not understand what moral clarity means, you very likely lack it. No bother, most people do.
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New Age Jehovah's Witness Youth
by Obviously Secret ini'm new to the forums so i just wanted to say hi.
kind of nervous at the moment.. i'm one of the jehovah's witness kids that is looking for the whole truth.
i go to the meetings and have my own problems with the organization but i do believe in alot of it's beliefs.. since i got that out the way i wanted to see what other people think about the newer jehovah's witness teens.
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blacksheep
However, I am only 16 and in way too deep. Plus I've become close to some people that have the serious possibility to change. I mean the most important person in my life is a girl the same age as me trying to find new friends in the organization because her family always ruined other relationships for her. I can't just leave that's near immpossible for me. So I dunno. However, the idea of a new Jehovah's Witness organization (I think that's what your trying to do maybe ThaiPoes, no offense.) would be kinda liein to myself. I mean I hate it deeply and I mean I don't know if it would work out because even if elders are looking for a new light or some sense they are still elders and they still have the ideas in their heads. Might be hard to work out. But I mean still I'm way too young to do anything.
OS, you sound very wise. A few of us have been there. Unfortunately we didn't have these forums to actually be able to vent. So we pretended we were happy. We did what we were supposed to do. You are right, 16 is young. When I was 16 I had no real hope. I escaped into reading novels of people who bucked systems and succeeeded. Now I see why I did so.
But, really, you NEVER are in way too deep in this religion. There is always hope. You obviously have the balls to express concern, so you, whether you know it, are on your way out. There's really no turning back. Just hang tough, think about what sort of future you want for yourself and your girlfriend. Don't resign yourself to the life that you were told you must lead. If need be, talk to a school counselor about your situation and possible plans for the future. You are a minor now, but soon you'll be able to decide things for yourself. Keep your options open.
I know the feeling I had at your age. Proabaly even worse for a female, because we were encouraged not to question things. I raised a JW, ended up going to college, which greatly opened my mind, established a career, and am FREE. No, life on the outside isn't easy. But at least it's real. In the end, you'll do what you think is best, but at 16, please don't close your options. There's a lot of life in front of you.
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adding a new puppy
by five_crew inlast night we made a leap and added a puppy to our home.
we have a seven month old terrier-chihuahua mix already.
we added a bigger dog into the mix.
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blacksheep
Like with children, there's always room for one more. The fact that both are pups is a big plus: they'll basically grow up together. I think it's also a plus because they'll have each other--won't be lonely.
We've had a pup since x-mas, and it's been great. We want to add a kitten soon, so they will both grow up together.
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Fudging on "Field Service Report"
by Clinton inwhen i was a jdub i used to write down whatever hours i wanted to write down.
when i was pioneering for 7 years i would add a few hours to my time each month so that i wouldn?t fall too far behind.
even when i wasn?t pioneering though i would inflate my hours a bit sometimes so i wouldn?t have the elders hounding me about my time and also so i could hold a ?position?.
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Fudged every month. The goal was supposed to be 10 hours, so I didn't want to appear too susipicious, so I'd usually put down 9 hours. Those months when I actually DID go out in FS, I'd be brave enough to put down 12 hours. I'd add a few mags, as well (loved it when we placed back issues at Not-at-homes, that made mag placements seem real impressive.
I did just enough to keep the elders off my back--who could check anyway. I could say I witnessed to someone at school if they ever challenged it.
In short, the numbers they put out are totally inflated.
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Will the World ever Die?
by blacksheep induring the last few years, i've progressively observed a phenomenon which i hadn't really seen before in my jw mother.
lately she's been talking about her will, about wanting to get long term care insurance for herself and my dad so they won't be a burden on us kids.... it's like she knows she's going to eventually die in "this system.
" what happened to armageddon's right around the corner??.
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blacksheep
During the last few years, I've progressively observed a phenomenon which I hadn't really seen before in my JW mother. Lately she's been talking about her will, about wanting to get long term care insurance for herself and my dad so they won't be a burden on us kids...
It's like she KNOWS she's going to eventually die in "this system." What happened to Armageddon's right around the corner??
Do any of you see this almost resigned attitude in any of your relatives? Are they functioning on two separate planes: 1) the JW who'll see Armageddon come in their lifetime and survive into Jehovah's new system of things; versus 2) The human who knows that Armageddon's just a pipe dream and so needs to realistically plan for their and their childrne's future?
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My Sister got married and I wasn't invited
by bluesapphire inyesterday was the wedding.
all five of my siblings and their spouses and children, my mom and dad and their spouses, even my three daughters were invited.
but not i. she is the only one who is jw.. they sent the invitation to the girls in their name only to my address.
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blacksheep
I'm so sorry for your experience. And yes, you were the bigger person. I've had similar experiences in which I have not been invited to my neices/nephews' graudations, which hurt me immensely, but the wedding of your sister is so important. Hold your head up high. I'm glad you were treated well by most who were there. IMO, your sister's actions were inexcusable, but then she's still brainwashed.
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YOUR POSTS score a Watchtower Defeat?
by metatron inin reading the latest (6/1/04) watchtower, i took note of what was missing.. in the article, "which religion should you choose?
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- numbers of books placed, numbers of magazines peddled, and number of average.
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blacksheep
In the article, "Which Religion Should You Choose?", several statistics are mentioned
- numbers of books placed, numbers of magazines peddled, and number of average
Bible Studies "in 235 lands".
Well, sign me UP!!! With stats like that it's simply GOT to be the true religion!!!
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New Age Jehovah's Witness Youth
by Obviously Secret ini'm new to the forums so i just wanted to say hi.
kind of nervous at the moment.. i'm one of the jehovah's witness kids that is looking for the whole truth.
i go to the meetings and have my own problems with the organization but i do believe in alot of it's beliefs.. since i got that out the way i wanted to see what other people think about the newer jehovah's witness teens.
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blacksheep
ANYWAYS ya it is said ain't it? It's weird sex is so bad until you get married. Like saying I do makes your sex organs magically work correct and you will not feel guilty for it.
Unfortunately, that's one key issue I had with the JWs (still have, since my witness nephew at 20 is now engaged). I've seen so many people who are to too young, emotionally, mentally, and sometimes even physically (they say the body doesn't fully mature until 25), get married just to find out what sex is all about. I'm all for discovering that before you get married, so that the person you marry is truly compatible with you on many levels. Not just because they are hot and turn you on.
Sadly, when these kids finally grow up, they often discover they are two very different people. Marriage is hard enough. I think early marriages that are little more than the desire to finally have sex are doubly tough.