Posts by Bleep

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

Bleep

JanH said, "For all intents and purposes, you worship Satan, an immensely evil deity."

Me - Wow that is a strange comment indeed! Do you have any more comments to add that might clear up this Bible topic?

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Ray Franz has anyone read Crisi of Conscience?

by 67mustang in

i am interested in ray franz.

can anybody comment on him?

i've heard rumors, but partial ones from jw's.

Bleep

Farkel said, "Manners have nothing to do with this, Bleep. That is just a red-herring you dragged in to cover up the dilemma I created for you."

Me - It might have something with being Jehovah's friend. Call me an old fashoned 29 year old but it's true. I am sure you are not too familiar with the golden rule as well.

I have not read the publication since I have many other publications that are fruitfull and benificial for true christians.

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Are any of you actually witnesses here?

by A_Revelation in

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how can all of you say that you are disgusted etc when you dont know any thing about the organisation?.

im sure you didnt really worry before but now you are all acting upset etc.. i stress to say that it is accusations not fact.. i am 16 and found the program annoying in the fact that we were portrayed completely wrong.. the bbc could say what they liked.. i think that people should be more sincere and less assuming.. thanks, mark

Bleep

Dutchie said, "But I stopped being one when I realized that Jehovahs Witnesses do not teach the truth as they claim to be."

Me -Was it the news program that you got this idea? Some news want to show that an orginization has a spot of imperfection since it rarely happens.

Me again -Seems like they have to get even since the Catholics were caught doing wrong. It's been along time in coming for them to fix the problem of gay priests.

Dutchie said, "Hi Mark, I also saw the show and I really enjoyed it. I used to be one of jehovah's witnesses, in fact I was one for many years as I was born into it."

Me - No one is born into the truth. It is brought threw accurate knowledge of the Bible and only after Dedication threw Baptism.

Me again - Must be confused with the babies in the church.

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Ray Franz has anyone read Crisi of Conscience?

by 67mustang in

i am interested in ray franz.

can anybody comment on him?

i've heard rumors, but partial ones from jw's.

Bleep

Farkel said, "If you say you haven't, you are an asshole and your comments come from the kind of ignorance only reserved for assholes."

Me - I guess they don't teach people to be kind or have good manners.

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CULT CULT CULT

by minimus in

i have read many opinions about jw's being a cult.a dictionary describes cult as a system of religious beliefs and ritual .. some have viewed even major religions as a cult, such as the roman catholic church.based upon webster almost anybody or anything that is viewed as ritualistic could be said to be cultic.when someone tries to negate jehovah's witnesses by using.

the "cult" word, i believe they are not seeing that many others could legitimately be regarded as a cult or at least "cultic".therefore the word loses alot of meaning.

some have said that the watchtower is a cult because of the control factor.

Bleep

Yes StinkyPantz I am honest with this topic.

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THE DILEMMA FACING APOSTATES

by You Know in

the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.

one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.

in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.

Bleep

Is Robert in good standing with Jehovah?

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Before you open that door....

by Bona Dea in

things that you definitely will not learn upfront: (and again, this is just a few...).

fight against independent thinking.

6-8-1986, page.9 would that all were prophets!.

Bleep

I found your first mistake. The elders have to do this regarding Witnesses coming to them for help. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=32690&site=3

Look at the top post and under that link.

Better go to the elders and say your sorry.

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Confession of Sins-Man's Way or God's?

by Bleep in

among catholics, confession has changed dramatically over the centuries.

in the early years of the catholic church, confession and penance were required only for serious sins.

concerning this, the book religion in the medieval west says: "until the late sixth century the penitential system was very harsh: the sacrament could be administered only once in a lifetime, confession was public, the penance was long and severe.".

Bleep

Vivamus said, "Jesus may have taught that we should confess to each other so that you would be helped."

Me - He also taught us the Lords prayer. I bet confessing to Jehovah would help alot more.

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Ray Franz has anyone read Crisi of Conscience?

by 67mustang in

i am interested in ray franz.

can anybody comment on him?

i've heard rumors, but partial ones from jw's.

Bleep

Twenty bucks and all you get is a smile from Satan.

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

Bleep

JanH said, "Obviously, religion really is a disease on the mind. A fatal one."

Me - Thats what Satan wants all to know, please don't help him.