[PG warning: high pressure, some language.] Quarantining your elusive, nebulous, slippery feelings into textual prisons is one way to start to get mastery over the impulse. Face it, if you were a JW and had even 80% reasoning capacity, you were, in an epistomological sense, “abused” and you suffered “trauma.” I was. I’m not talking a pleasant, jejune “traumatic experience” that everyone has when they narrowly avoid dying in a car wreck: I’m talking about the mythic, preliterate (inarticulable), preconscious (un/subconscious), limbic (physiologic lizard brain stem) abomination that cannot actually be articulated, and which triggers a physiologic response of readyness for physical combat, because to the preconsious mind, it IS a fucking physical threat. Although you can remember the play by play bullshit of how the elders did it, the actual trauma (I acknowledge accumulated, not all at one instant) is buried so deep in the psyche that there’s really no way to revisit it under controlled circumstances so as to get mastery. The physiologic response will recur until the preconscious mind has enough other senses of assurance (monetary, status, fame, health, anything you can ‘have’ that makes you more able to resist threats) to effectively overlook, or deprioritize, the re-experience as a physical threat. I believe that the emotional cathexis (outrage, badness, sense of naughtiness) attached to cases of sexual pedophilia cowers before the cathexis resulting from adequately-intelligent, or particularly brilliant people, being brain-raped by authority figures. I.E., what the Lacanian father, with his inscrutibly irrefutable WORD, does to young minds. It demands a taxonomy, say, “Pedoepistophilia.” Nothing less than a class action suit would satisfy, but you can’t articulate the crime, because it exists before/beneath/behind the written records of rational articulation. You can’t get at it, thus can’t prove it, and thus it goes on.
Posts by rmt1
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57Leaving JWs Has Made Me Intolerant of Stupid Thinking - How About U?
by Seeker4 inlori (my girlfriend - a non-jw).
and i had quite a discussion last night.
i am almost always a very tolerant, easygoing person, but there is this one aspect of my personality that has caused us a certain amount of tension.
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Six Convincing Lines of Evidence that the WTS was RIGHT
by jgnat intrue believers meet at armageddon (december 30, 2000)
i find it oddly satisfying to read old reports of intelligent, scholarly, well-read men who confidently picked the time of the end.
and were obviously wrong.
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Responses to Point 4 could be distilled to the Sigmoid Curve: no biological organism or structure of organisms (empires) evades the Sigmoid Curve. Foretelling the (inevitable) decline of an empire is equivalent to foretelling the decline of an individual. Additionally, Point 6 seeks to appeal to our innate understanding of the inverse, or opposite side of, the Sigmoid Curve, i.e., that things decay in a logarithmic fashion. I'd love to see a graph of hard numbers Memorial partakers vs publishers vs attendees for all times recorded. If Point 6 is true, partakers very well |ought| to have a conspicuous, distinguishable logarithmic decay. We know, however, that it's been hovering at 8000+ long past what logarithmic decay woudl suggest. (I'm sure such a graph exists on this board.)
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Pioneer Sisters & Field Service
by prophecor insome of you sisters were so adept at going out in service, that it seemed as if you really didn't need a brother, who was willing to take the lead.
many of you were already well suited in marking out and mapping out the territory, and sometimes big brother such and such, who just happened to be newly baptised, but is now in a position to serve shows up and begins to make himself feel useful.
i mean, this is how the climbing up the ladder begins for us brothers, isn't it?.
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The experienced elderesses' reminders and or indirect compulsions to the snivvly dorks is a form of subtle power. Certainly it's one of the few avenues of power they have but it's there.
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Define your "pantheism"
by Narkissos ini read a post by satanus today which made me think this might be a topic worthy of discussion.. "pantheism" is quite an attractive concept on the way of many of us who have been drifting from theism.
however it sounds like a problematic concept too.
here are a few questions i'd like to raise:.
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The Latin “numen, numinis” was pantheistic in origin but makes a really good word now, “numinal,” “1. A presiding divinity or spirit of a place. 2. A spirit believed by animists to inhabit certain natural phenomena or objects. 3. Creative energy; genius.” The "sacred place, or sacred geography" has undefinable power that no one can appropriate quickly, and its power precedes and is independent of claims the sentient agent divinities. Numinus geography would include locations where uunexpected, unstatistical things happen, frequently in the intersections of earth, sky and water (convex/protruding like cliff over the sea and waterfalls or concave/recessive like caves and pools). Irregularities cause a knot in the spacetime of awareness and accrue numinal sensations.
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Ever think why the collection box is in the back of the KHall?
by biddie ini used to thinik it was better... but now i realize it was a way for the elders to keep an eye on who was giving!
biddie
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It keeps the nuts and bolts of the organization - taking money - out of the sight of the congregation when they are in the structural unit called an audience. This originally had the benefit of preventing wealthy benefactors from displaying their contributive power before others, as well as taking the pressure off the unwealthy who previously felt that the pressure of plate-passing in "Christendom" was wrong. The audience section is the 'formal' part of the Hall while the rear is the 'informal' part. Christendom concentrated on shaming the faithful into giving |money| in a |formal| space, money that was usually the parishoners' only form of contribution, and an action that once accomplished allowed the parishoner off the hook for the week. The Society shrewdly distanced itself by not pressuring for money-right-now in a formal space, AND found a way to keep pressure on the 'friends', by demanding a line of credit on one's time. This is like a mental bank note that says, "This note is legal tender and the holder shall yield up all proceeds of the next time unit of field service." Of course the game changes from pressuring parishoners to empty their pockets to getting 'friends' to stop mentally seperating the two ideas of "taking a donation" and "turning in the donation". As long as those two ideas stay bound and inseperable, the machine works and the Society gets to claim difference. And if the Society claims that the contribution boxes are out of sight, they explicitly demand that you only conceive of them as being out of sight of the formal audience. They are Quite within sight of the congregation once it has stood down into the informal spaces. They occupy key junction points like a panoptical shaded Mr. Smith, and are near the pulp cartoon distribution centers. The pressure is never off. The pulp cartoons cost, what, $.03 apiece with Brooklyn's massive economies of scale?
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Once life is discovered outside outside the realm of earth...
by undercover inhow will it affect you?.
aa's thread on scientist's "creating" life got me to thinking about how people would react if life was discovered on other planets or solar systems.
the movie "contact" explored that some along with how faith and science combat but yet complement each other.. would life on other planets pretty much destroy much of earth's religious myths?
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I did a (extremely unauthoritative) paper on Coyote myths of the southwest, and my impression was that the nature of the activities or aetiologies for which Coyote was deployed changed over time to reflect the increasing presense of the white man. That is to say, simple aetiologies like how life began, how the sun came to being, how men and women are different, do not make reference to the white man. The myths that do have some discernable mercantile or exchange activity. This would suggest to me that human myths would hardly be destroyed by the demonstration and visitation of alien life: they would alter rapidly in a race to find the best way of accounting for these advanced newcomers.
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Jan 1st WT: Reaching out, Higher Education and Providing for one's needs
by truthseeker inwell, as a nice start to the new year, the jan 1st watchtower article, "how firm is your trust in god" blasts those who live comfortable lives, those who don't reach out, and those who pursue higher education.. definitely, they are taking a harsher stand, having completely painted themselves into a corner.. i highlighted the interesting comments.
i did not include all the text for each paragraph, just the main points.. .
1 a young man wanted to be more useful to the congregation.
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Ah, Pistoff cracked open a pithoi of worms. Here in Tucson, Arizona, the state that has the least Federal funding for immigration control, the rate of illegal immigration is the highest. Pregnant illegal immigrants who cross the finish line bear U.S. citizens who, in the past 30 years, has produced a huge community of very legal and very hard working people who have higher mental endurance, lower ex$pectations (hegemonic, I acknowledge), close social networks, and increasingly pre-installed bilingual preference. If there’s a cracker male JW in Tucson who does not know Spanish when he hits his first McDonalds at 15, and does not already have a life-long tinkering bug that can be converted to a serious trade, he’s going to be scratching just to get a shot at the least desirable of the cleaning jobs. These people work terrifyingly hard (terrifying, that is, when you know you are soooooo close to being their direct competitors – my inadequacy syndromes coming through here) – just seeing the shit they put up with behind a fast food counter is enough to keep me up till 4am getting this cosmically stupid piece of paper.
And for the JW brass reading this, who think that you can smugly look through your little pantoptical police one-way mirror and not be seen, but get a jolt up your spine when the perp like on a really good episode of Law and Order: SVU looks you right in the eye, I would like to request that in the next Watchtower you include a discussion of the Roman patria potestas, the idea of the uber-irresistible centrality of the oldest male of the family, who had the power of life or death even over his son of 40, 50 years old, and whose son of such age was still not permitted to conduct significant or material transactions without the old geezer’s express permission, because of the uber centrality of the estate. Please also include a discussion on the slave rebellion of Sicily, which stemmed from the fact that Pheonician pirates had snatched tons of educated Greeks from the Aegean and sold them to plantation owners on Sicily, and, oddly enough, for many years, these educated people inconceivably just could not fathom why they did not instantly en masse up and off every inhumane plantation owner. Then they did. -
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WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE HUMAN RACE?!
by Mary ini watched dr. phil yesterday, where they were highlighting the disappearance of natalee holloway who disappeared in aruba over 5 months ago, and amy bradley who vanished from a cruise ship 7 years ago.
i always assumed that these girls were raped and then murdered and they very likely could be, but the program highlighted the sex-slave trade that is growing in leaps and bounds all over the world.
i sat there and listened in shock as one guy revealed what happens to some of these girls during snuff movies.
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Warning: Bleak godless post. It’s evolution. (throw tomatoes) The perpetrators have a full comprehension of previous ‘things that happen’, and they are selectively driven to distinguish themselves by one-upping what goes before. The only way for heinous crimes to not get “worse” is for people to stop being able to remember exactly what everyone here seems to know, and for everyone to be able to not watch shock TV. Which isn’t going to happen, because we’re evolutionarily programmed to pay attention to threats until they dissipate. If the journalism (thank you, Jez) successfully structures it as a threat (with all the swelling dramatic music that accompanies such programming), then they have your attention, unless somehow you as an organism don’t perceive it as a threat. The growing catalogue of possible threats creates this huge database of previous knowledge that violent offenders are evolutionarily driven to surmount. I apologize for the bleakness of this godless opinion, and you are cordially entitled to hang it all on the Mesopotamian cumulonimbus Herm’s binary-structural abjection. Legal notice: Please note that I am not saying that such a situation does not suck; of course it does. Possible solution: find a way to grow violent offenders’ corpus collosum larger (typical profile is male) so they have more full-brain empathic and emotional feedback to “twisted” rational survival drives such as this affirmation/power business as featured on the show.
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Do you still *want* to believe?
by daniel-p inif the answer is "yes," please explain why.
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(i don't think this question needs explaining - i think you all know what i'm talking about.
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Back when I was unaware of how to escape, I had become an escapist Tolkein fan, particularly of the Silmarillion (which many people think is as boring as the Bible but I disagree). I remember sitting in Grantview Assembly Hall and it occured to me: You know, there's absolutely no difference in the constructedness of divinity and theology between Brooklyn and Tolkien. I could just as easily switch all my "beliefs" over to worshipping Illuvatar through Manwe and fearing Morgoth and Utumno. There would be zero blessed F*ing difference. Illuvatar does not require coffee breaks after showing perfect strangers cheap pulp cartoons. He might ask me to go battle some Orcs, and that's not so great, but I'd get the same kind of infantile Lacanian reversion to a prehuman/pre"mother", Eden which is what I have here (in Grantview Assembly Hall...) But, try as I might, I could not make the switch; there was too much knowing of the construction, no matter how much I desperately wanted to believe in a different way of... belief. Selective lobotomy. I think that's where it's at. There does seem to be a growing literature of the inability to remain convinced while within a simulacrum. Started for me with Star Trek Generation Picard in the Chrismas Nexus and SOME HOW still knowing that nothing there in that happy place was real. How sad. Yet, how sad to be so sweetly, sweety, bitterly... sweetly, happy. Matrix was a footnote to that moment. Sort of like 'the method of anti-solipsism.'
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Of Late Many Here Seem To Be Preaching Aethiesm..
by Qcmbr inwhen i first came here a while back there was plenty of discussion around and about jw topics and general chit chat but of late i've felt quite a sharp increase in posts that are: .
1/ preaching aethism (as opposed to putting it forward in a respectful way as an alternate viewpoint.
2/ vitriolic attacks on those who dare have another view ('damn those stupid heretical believers') .
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rmt1
"To bravely not know what every man has known before." It takes a lot of effort to refuse to |"know"|.