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The Nations Shall Know False Prophecy

by bluesapphire in

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in the book "the nations shall know that i am jehovah" they prophecied the end to come in the "20th century".

there is also a page where they claim to be prophets but i cannot find it.

does anyone know what page this is on?

The Nations Shall Know False Prophecy

by bluesapphire in

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friends

in the book "the nations shall know that i am jehovah" they prophecied the end to come in the "20th century".

there is also a page where they claim to be prophets but i cannot find it.

does anyone know what page this is on?

In the book "The Nations Shall Know that I Am Jehovah" they prophecied the end to come in the "20th Century". There is also a page where they claim to be prophets but I cannot find it. Does anyone know what page this is on? I have a friend coming to visit and I want to show her this. She is a believing walkaway and I want to help her get free. Thanks

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D.A. vs. Slow Fade

by Black Man in

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which is better in your estimation?

hit the borg with a d.a.

letter or do the slow fade.

bluesapphire

My husband and I faded away. Then we moved and now no one in our area knows we're witnesses. I wait and wait for the "friends" to go door to door so I can ask questions and get them thinking (I hope some young teenagers come by one day) but we've been here since Feb and no one has ever knocked on our door.

Funny thing is that my husband had just been appointed a MS and then he suddenly stopped going to meetings cold turkey. The elders tried to call on us and many times heard the TV on but we looked through the window and just didn't open the door. YOu should have seen the looks on their faces. They were moded! Six months went by and we never heard from them anymore. We never knew if he got deleted or not. Guess he must have. How embarassing for those elders who appointed him to begin with. Can you imagine responding to the circuit overseer when he asked them, "What happened to the brother we appointed last time I was here?" "Uh, well, he's inactive now..." Ha ha!

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Prevalence of JW Suicides - Real or Imagined?

by AMNESIAN in

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in one or two recent threads i've seen reference to the possibility of a rising number of jw suicides being another of the organization's very dark realities about which it is vigilant in keeping concealed from its pub populace.

is there anyone reasonably informed regarding this?

is there reason to suppose the incidence ratio among jws is any higher than among any peoples/religion?

bluesapphire

My uncle is a well-respected psychiatrist with over 30 years experience. He works for the United Nations in Washington DC and also has a private practice. About six months ago a 16 year old boy was brought in to him because he had tried to commit suicide. The boy was being brought up as a JW. Since that time, the family of the boy have referred 7 more JWs from their congregation. All of them are being treated for serious depression problems and they all have suicidal tendencies. My uncle told me that he believes that the belief system of the JWs is the primary cause for the depression. It comes as no surprize to me with such a fatalistic view of the world around them, always waiting for the "end" instead of trying to enjoy this life. Any enjoyment they might have is tarnished with GUILT GUILT AND MORE GUILT! Sad huh!

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Hair-raising Tale!

by Free2Bme in

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let's have some fun.did you find out some juicy gossip about a witness that you are just dying to blab?.

here's one from me.. i went to a hairdressing salon for the first time and the stylist was a camp male who never stopped chatting from the second he got his gesticulating paws on my scruffy mop.. my mum who is a devout jw was sitting reading a mag waiting for me.. next thing he's telling us about his gay male friend who is a bit down because he is having an affair with a jw.

to make things worse he is married with kids (the brother not the gay friend).. stifling my shock and trying not to look at my mum who is staring wildly and unseeingly at her mag i asked his name or address and although he didn't know the name he told us his street and district!.

bluesapphire

I have a juicy one about my husband's mother. She's a hard-core pioneer for over 20 years. She divorced my husband's dad and called herself a "widow" for years to get favors from everyone. When my husband was 15 she pulled him out of school and made him get a job so she could pioneer. The whole time she was collecting child support too! When he turned 18 she came up with a scheme to buy a mobile home where they could live until armageddon. But she had terrible credit so no one would finance it.

So she bought one with the owner carrying the note. She put my husband's name on the note but told my husband his name was only going on the deed in case she died. He was so young and didn't have a clue he was being conned into being a co-signor. For years she was late on the payments even though my husband would give her the money, not caring about her young son's credit or anything.

Then I came along and figured out the whole con, having been a homeowner myself in the past.

When my husband and I got married he moved out and she couldn't afford to live there alone so she moved out and rented it out. She was collecting the money for the rent and telling everybody that the renters weren't paying. Then she wasn't paying the mortgage and telling the owners of the mobile that she was dirt broke. They had no clue that she had moved out and had it rented out. They were very nice and patient people who were ripped off of more than one year's worth of mortgage payments.

One day the floor caved in and we found out she hadn't been paying the homeowners insurance either. I finally convinced my husband to put the home on the market and he sold it out from under her. She tried every scheme imaginable to prevent the sale by scaring away prospective buyers and telling them it wasn't for sale. But in the end we won.

She got her initial $5000 back but she spread the rumor that she lost all her money because of the cruelty of her own son.

I got fed up with the situation and wrote a six page letter to her presiding overseer accusing her of being a "greedy person" and asked them to discipline her. The reply was that it was "none of their business or MY business." They said it was between my husband and his mother and I as a wife had NOTHING to do with it.

But it had been these same elders business to counsel my husband not to marry me in the first place. But now they felt it was none of their business to counsel her to pay her debts and be honest about it. I even told them she hadn't payed her taxes in years. They still said that her finances were her own business. So I asked them if she had stuck a quarter in a slot machine if it would have been their business then? They said "yes."

Hypocrites!

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Hair-raising Tale!

by Free2Bme in

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friends

let's have some fun.did you find out some juicy gossip about a witness that you are just dying to blab?.

here's one from me.. i went to a hairdressing salon for the first time and the stylist was a camp male who never stopped chatting from the second he got his gesticulating paws on my scruffy mop.. my mum who is a devout jw was sitting reading a mag waiting for me.. next thing he's telling us about his gay male friend who is a bit down because he is having an affair with a jw.

to make things worse he is married with kids (the brother not the gay friend).. stifling my shock and trying not to look at my mum who is staring wildly and unseeingly at her mag i asked his name or address and although he didn't know the name he told us his street and district!.

bluesapphire

I loved your tales. These types of stories always made me laugh even when I was still a dub. Juicy gossip it is for me! :-)

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The Watchtower Injures Families and Hurts Kids

by metatron in

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i've made this point before but it bears repeating.. the watchtower, with its extreme standards, injures.

families and hurts kids.. parents have a responsibility to teach and safeguard.

their kids.

bluesapphire

Jan G, Can you e-mail me at [email protected]

I have some questions to ask you regarding your post about the Satanic memories.

Thanks.

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The Watchtower Injures Families and Hurts Kids

by metatron in

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friends

i've made this point before but it bears repeating.. the watchtower, with its extreme standards, injures.

families and hurts kids.. parents have a responsibility to teach and safeguard.

their kids.

bluesapphire

Metatron, I'm sorry to hear about how the WTS ruined your relationship with your child. You are 100% right in saying that the parental guidance is inhibited or outright destroyed by the WTS stupid and absurd and rediculous approach to child-rearing. I'm more fortunate than you because my kids are still so little 9, 9 and 11. And I've been out for two years. But even so, they resent that for six years of their young lives they were made to endure endless meetings, stupid waste-of-time field service, forced to "make a stand" at school and not say the flag salute and step out of the class during birthdays and holiday activities, etc.

All I can say when they "vent" with me is "I am sooo sooo sorry!" Then they say, "We're just glad we are out!" And we all breathe a sigh of relief. But nothing will bring back those precious years of their youth - NOTHING!

Now they are approaching puberty and young adulthood and I thank God that I have a balanced outlook and an open line of communication with them. There is nothing they could do that would make me reject them and they KNOW it. Lots of times with my eldest I see her making the same mistakes that I made. I say things like, "I did that and this is what happened to me." Fortunately she still listens. But I know she's going to make some wrong decisions. I'm glad I'm not in a religion that would force me to SHUN any of my daughters. They are too precious.

Whatever comes down the road - good or bad - I will be there for them. Whatever choices they make, whatever religon they choose, whoever they marry -- ANYTHING. I will still love them! How sad for people like my husband whose mother will not validate him. He has been tried, judged and convicted by her and her love is CONDITIONAL. Aren't we so glad to be out of this kult!

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DECEPTIVE JW ELDERS - CASE#2

by Amazing in

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deceptive jw elders case#2 .

appointing spiritually qualified men to take the lead and serve as elders and overseers has been a feature of watch tower congregational organization since about 1972. jws were told in talks at conventions, in literature, and finally in the two versions of the organization book that the biblical criteria is used when elders meet to consider some men for appointment as an elder.

jws are also told that these qualified men are already appointed first by holy spirit, and then as the congregation is lead by that spirit to recognize them, the elders meeting is a confirmation of what god has done.

bluesapphire

Amazing! You did it again. Now I'll tell it from a sister's perspective:

My fiance and I decided to move to another hall since everyone was trying to break up our engagement. The elders at his hall were really priming him to be appointed as a servant but he wanted no part of it. But he's such a nice guy that every time they asked him to do something, he did it. They took this to mean he was "reaching out." Well, he moved to another hall just before the CO visit because I told him, "You better do something because they're going to appoint you." (We had been foolling around - not sex but enough petting). I said he would be "making a mockery of Jehovah." We didn't want to confess to these elders because we knew they'd disfellowship one of us so that we couldn't get married. We planned on moving halls, getting married and confessing in that order.

Anyways, they wrote my husband a great letter of recommendation to the new hall. First he started going there and later I did. Everyone thought he was such a "spiritual" man. They used him all the time to give talks and I was the one writing them! We got married and were very popular in the new hall. We had a swimming pool and had the congregation over regularly for bar-b-ques. I was very regular in field service but my husband lied every single month. He probably got 2 hours and stretched those two to ten or eleven. Plus he got to count four hours a month teaching my children even though I was the one doing it.

I went along with it. When the CO visit came around I told him again, "We still haven't confessed and I know you're going to be appointed." He said he would turn it down. But when the time came, he said no and they would not accept his answer. I called one of the elders and asked him, "How do you know to appoint a brother?" He said, "We pray about it and Jehovah guides our decision." But I was not satisfied so I said, "How do you know Jehovah's answer?" He said, "When we send the paperwork to Bethel, the brothers there have Jehovah's Spirit and they make the decision." I was skeptical because I knew we had a hidden sin and that he was cheating on his field service report and also that he couldn't write a talk worth beans if it wasn't for me.

In the end, pride got to my husband and he accepted the title of MS. It was the beginning of my awakening and he knew it. Everybody in the congregation thought he was so spiritual. And he is really a great man and a good person but spiritual he is NOT!

I always wondered how he got appointed and it was a "faith" test for me. Eventually I lost faith in the "spirit-directed organization." Thank God for that!

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DECEPTIVE JW EDLERS #1

by Amazing in

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deceptive jw elders #1 .

on h20 i posted a justice series with 12 judicial case experiences for the purpose of showing how decisions are made, and to highlight the poor training, lack of education, and often the incompetence shown by watch tower appointed elders.

even those of us with a measure of secular education were often untrained in essentials of dealing with peoples personal and emotional problems.

bluesapphire

Amazing, this story hit home with me and it brought back some very painful experiences my husband and I had.

My husband was the equivalent of Brother N and I was the older sister with kids. (I'm only a few years older and had three girls but no big difference). The elders were so against our getting married. They tried all sorts of devious techniques to get us to break up. They would invite my husband out to the movies and invite another sister to be his date without telling him in advance even though we were already engaged. We had dated secretly and when they first found out about us, they pretended to know through the angels. (It was really his busy-body mother.)

Numerous times he got the lecture of supporting a large family. Which totally does not make sense since I was already supporting myself and my three girls and his income would only enhance our financial situation. He got the lecture about being imature, not ready to be a step-dad, etc. etc.

He also liked to spend money on video games and six years later he still does and I think when he's 90 he still will. But SO WHAT!

We never have gone hungry, we never have been homeless, we never have been behind on our bills. We have bought two houses together, brand new cars, big screen tv, boat and much more things that enhance our quality of life and that of my daughters. But most importantly, the elders were dead wrong about us. We made it because our love was real and deep and our commitment is strong enough to overcome problems. Their deceitful practices could have ended our relationship. I'm glad it didn't because right now I would be miserable, looking for someone just like him. And he would be miserable too.

They mess with people's lives. It sucks!