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  COLDs AND FLUs

  by QUEENIE in

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  winter colds and flus apparently abound with everyone and so i would like to say get well soon and ((((warm hugs all around))) btw i was a jw for 40 yrs and a ex-jw now for 10 yrs..i would like to clarify that one thing..i have even developed a crush on one particular xjw (elder) and that can not be / me!!

  i am going to give him a christmas present and see where it goes from there--god works in mysterious ways !!!

  take care all

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  BluesBrother

  Hello Queenie,

  Welcome to the world of the board from one 40 year oldster to another,goes to show its never too late to change.
  Haven't I heard that before somewhere?
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  Does Music Influence You?

  by mindfield in

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  aaah, yes... i still remember that stupid awake!

  which encouraged everyone never, never to attend a rock show.

  (they actually throw blood at the crowd, ya know...[8>]) i read it, and personnally i thought it was all hogwash.

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  BluesBrother

  Music!!..my favourite subject ,or one of them.
  
  i always struggled with the W T polemics against rock music. We once had to hastily arrange a visit to a distant aunt when I needed an excuse not to conduct a watchtower study raging against heavy metal..When I had had it with eldership, the one thing the C.O.finally accepted was when I told him I actually liked heavy metal. My feet then did not touch the ground ,I was off the body so quick

  Your original Q. Yes, it is wonderful short term influence on your mood, lift you relax you rejuvinate ,invigorate..If you have ever spent a Saturday night down the front at a good gig ,with your ear next to a big amp. you'll know what I mean!
  But long term befaviour influence? No , thats just a myth put about by those who don't like it, and picked by doom merchants like the WT.

  Thats my opinion for what its worth - "Hail, Hail Rock and Roll!!
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  Hi my names josephus, and i am an apostate.

  by josephus in

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  well this is the day.. i mentioned to my mum that i read a good book recently about dates, and cronology.. she blew up and told me i was just trying to read anything that attempts to disprove jws.. apparently i am like those apostates, and people didnt want to talk to my because of it.. "this is the truth", she said.. well i am now an apostate.

  it doesnt feel as bad as i thought it would.. josephus

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  BluesBrother

  Hey! lets be reasonable here,

  YoYoMama,
  "Franz just got overly excited" -

  Yes you got it in one . He did go off at a tangent and that is exactly what you can expect from a HUMAN interpretation , just human and prone to error . I could accept that if they did not claim to be something different . They have you believe that they really are "Spirit directed" and what they say has to be accepted without serious question or you are labelled apostate. Thats the crime of it.
  Incidentally, Thewiz is right, he really did speak like that, mind you it seemed exciting at the time...
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  do you still want to live forever?

  by sleepy in

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  imagine that chance was offered to you .is it something you still desire?.

  i wonder how desriable it would be to live forever.what problems it would bring.would we want to stay married to the same person, would we get to know everyone on earth?.

  how would it effect our attitude toward life , would we get anything done knowing there was no rush?.

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  BluesBrother

  Like the rest of us , I used to look forward to living forever, cheating old age and death , and I admit a disappointment when I realised it was just not going to happen - that I was going to get old and that my life is in fact more than two thirds over, and so little acheived!

  But think again. I was at Twickenham, idly thinking during the talks and seeing all the families and Mums and pushchairs. Can you really imagine a life with no more family events? No deaths, no elderly grand parents, no joyous births ? - just one generation of stable people living on and never handing over to a new generation , kind of selfish really

  No one wants to face their death, but eternal life as portrayed by the witnesses no longer appeals to me. And since we have not been led to believe in a heavenly future , I guess my time will come as it did to my father and his father etc.

  As Freddy Mercury sang "Who wants to live forever? this world has only one sweet moment set aside for us......etc"
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  Preconceived Ideas

  by Frenchy in

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  from the article: acquire a heart agreeable to jehovah w10/15/01.

  7. a key requirement for acquiring a pure heart is that of gaining accurate knowledge of gods will and purposes.

  there is only one source of that knowledge, the inspired word of god.

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  BluesBrother

  Quite right Frenchy. I just got back from the meeting - I guess that one passed me by, probably mind wandering at the time.- I do attend but only as support for my long suffering wife. But we still argue over my "inactivity" I cannot do what I used to because now I know better , and if I spoke out as forcefully as I would like to, I would be disfellowshipped, and then what chance my home life?

  It seems most of them just do not have the courage to think the unthinkable, to face the fact that they have been wrong most of their life, and are only going to live the "threescore years and ten", just like everyone else.
  Oh well, at least we have it sussed now, Thank God for the internet!
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  Never, Ever Believe A Thing They Tell You.

  by Englishman in

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  my son and daughter from my previous marriage have just been kicked in the teeth by witness teaching.

  they have never ever been jws, which makes it worse imo.. they have just been dumped by their jw grandfather, dumped by their uncle, dumped by their aunt.

  when my dfd ex-wife lost her mother a couple of years back, her jw sisters and brother decided to put a stop to my exs alienation.

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  Sorry to hear your story - seems like a case of the rule book winning out over common sense, - I bet the relatives were got at ,"counselled" by the elders to apply the WT Rule and avoid your Ex and by implication, her family.. They would be too loyal to the org to admit that they were only doing it because they were told to do so.

  In fact a degree of flexibility can apply if the elders chose to show it/ I had a "sister" in my group once whose only daughter had been disfellowshipped. I turned a blind eye to her association with her, since the old lady was suffering depression already .

  By the way , the witneses only saw your kids as future disciples anyway - a lucky escape!
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  Only Fools And Horses Xmas Special

  by Englishman in

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  it's 5 years since dellboy and rodney made their last episode.

  i thought that fans may be interested to know that they are actually filming a 3 part christmas special here in wsm right now as i post this.. david jason (dellboy) paid my local pub a visit last time he was here, i actually nodded to him as though he was a regular before it sank in who he was.. maybe he will turn up again, hope he doesn't bring that plonker with him......!.

  englishman.. nostalgia isn't what it used to be....

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  BluesBrother

  Am I missing some deep and surreal point here?

  Do Del Boy and Rodney sybolise some deep Scriptural prophetic pattern?
  If so where does Grandad fit ? and is there significance in the three wheels of the motor?

  Please enlighten a poor studious soul like me
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  Elder School Summation

  by messenger in

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  friday.

  well sad to say it was not revelations of sweeping reform or "new light" on caring for the flock.

  the first day was primarily rehash of old stuff.

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  BluesBrother

  You took better notes than I ever did when I was there as a motivated elder.
  But when I lost faith, I just had to "come off" the elder body ,to continue to stand up and teach is just hypocracy . do the decent thing thing and resign! after all the "brothers " trust you.
  I still attend, but I keep quiet - I cant even sing, the words would stick in my throat
  Think about it
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  What is this about Marking?

  by Missie Eff in

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  i have a good freind here with me this evening.

  (celtic, if you're around you know her - it's liane).

  there is something that has always puzzled both of us.

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  BluesBrother

  Marking is alive and well and practised here in the Midlands uk.- at least about 4 years ago when I was on the Body Of Elders.

  Sister X.. had backslid a bit ,and someone grassed on her for giving a Christmas gift to her new born grand child.. The elders wanted to "mark her" because they could not make a judicial charge stick. I argued against it at the elders meeting but it was clear they were determined to do it .
  That meant no one was supposed to have social contact with her but she could take part in field service and meetings . As I recall, we did not see her much after that although my wife and I went around and chatted, and dissuaded her from dissassociating .

  Wife and i said at the time that it did not seem to make sense , makes perfect sense now as i see it as another tool to keep the unruly ones in line..Power to the Elders!!
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  'Christmas' - (another view)

  by Farkel in

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  in the "christmas" thread, aroarer asked this:.

  : ...have researched christmas in a new way and have come to realize it is not as evil as wt teaches.

  the real ugliness is the wt.

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  BluesBrother

  I couldnt agree more.

  I too was brought up to believe that all those celebrating Christmas were really miserable depressed and just had to do it for appearences ,and also that God & Jesus were very displeased with it all .

  I now know different . A good friend "in the world " helped me to see that families Do gain great comfort from it and I also believe that God is not so petty as to be so rule bound as J Ws teach .

  It seems we missed out , My mum used to find ways to serve the simplest food on "The Day" just to show we were different . Bless her , she really believed it all and I am not knocking her

  I am with you all. We take comfort knowing that we all had the same experiences ,thank you for sharing yours