You are not off, your observation is correct.
They are only interested in the outward appearance of appearing to be concerned about a fellow dub. Not all of it is phoney though, sometimes people really do like you. But for the most part it is forced. There are good and bad points to this whole situation. On the one hand it is good that they will help a fellow dub (even if their arms are twisted). The down side is when they will defend a fellow dub who has done something really bad (as in the case of the child abuse scandals recently). In other words, if they are a dub it is a "white wash" for the bad that they have done. I don't know how else to say it.
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See the JW, not the person
by robhic ini've written before about my poor jw gilfriend and her health problems (i am not a jw).
she was in the hospital for an infection the last 3 days and, like usual, a few jws visited her.
(the hospital is conveniently located 5 blocks from their kh...) in speaking with her at times she would mention that "some ladies from my church came to visit" followed immediately by stating her lack of familiarity or even recognition of one or more of the ladies visiting.. she has had jws visit her in hospital and at home many times before.
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I don't mean to make you all gag but years ago when I went on my first Bethel tour and WT farm tour I was impressed.
I went on a third Bethel one some years later and I still liked it even though I was less impressed (partly because I was older and more jaded and also because of the stepford-wife older sister who I went with). She apparently knew somebody there to give us a tour. She sat there in the lobby expecting the prince himself to come out and whisk her away on a magic carpet. Because we got there rather late I said to her "..... let's get going" and we couldn't wait for so-and-so. Other sisters in the lobby were rolling their eyeballs because it was obvious she was in fantasy-land.
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How can they be so full of themselves? Geeeeeeeez
by pennycandy ini just read this watchtower article posted in another thread by wanderlustguy.
i can't believe that the faithful and discreet slave can read such an article, boasting the magnificence of themselves, blatantly declaring themselves tested and approved by jesus himself, higher than all others, and then say, "yes, this article is true and good.
send it to the presses.
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I used to wonder about this also. I sometimes felt it might have been the height of arrogance and presumptuousness on their part to feel this way about themselves.
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Apostates - blood on their hands?
by slimboyfat indon't you think the witness leaders would have given up the blood doctrine and 1914 by now had not apostates made such big things of them?
haven't they been painted into a bit of a corner where, if they tried to adjust things on blood now, everyone would come down on them like a ton of bricks?
if apostates were not so vigilant in watching the witnesses' every move, perhaps the governing body would have tried to drop the dubious doctrines by the back door, like so many others that they have discarded when they did not feel to closely watched (organ transplants, for example).
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Slimboyfat:
I think you may have a point. I thought about this myself. If so-called apostates didn't make such a stink about this, it is quite possible they would have quietly changed things in some way. But now because of all the hubbub, they have to cling to it whether they believe it or not. -
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The cold shunning after re-enstatement. Did you get it?
by Sparkplug inrichierich posted something about how odd witness kids parties were and it reminded me of being reinstated.
i never quite fit when i got back in.
i would sit in the car groups and think...are these people for real?
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Sparkplug:
You are SO right about what you say regarding being shunned even though you are reinstated. I have heard this before. Maybe they think this gives them some kind of power? Who knows. I tried to analyse the reason but I gave up.
As far as gossip goes, my cong. is permeated with all kinds of gossip. This is their favorite passtime. They don't care who they hurt. The worst of it is when you are gossipped about by people who don't even know you. But what bothers me is that they are out in service counting time while they are gossiping. Does love (or even "like") figure in any of this? Certainly not.
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Trying to get people to "support" pioneers!
by LongHairGal inthis was one topic that used to make me furious!
here the bible makes it perfectly clear that back then they supported their own ministry by working.
there is also the scripture about "counting the cost" implying that one should not undertake any project without making an assessment as to whether or not they could do it.
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Further to my own comments:
I felt this attitude of them wanting us to "$upport" pioneers contributed to a dead-beat mentality which, sadly, is noticed from time to time there. Regarding the scripture about "counting the cost": this applies to the pioneer themselves. But few do, it seems. There were a few appalling persons who I felt should get the hell off the pioneer list and get a job. They had no business purposely living on the edge expecting a handout.
I noticed that nobody commented on my last thought about them "morphing" into a paid clergy class. Do you think this is an impossibility? I don't. There were a few pioneer couples I knew who would LOVE nothing more than to be SUPPORTED by everybody else!
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Trying to get people to "support" pioneers!
by LongHairGal inthis was one topic that used to make me furious!
here the bible makes it perfectly clear that back then they supported their own ministry by working.
there is also the scripture about "counting the cost" implying that one should not undertake any project without making an assessment as to whether or not they could do it.
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This was one topic that used to make me furious!
Here the bible makes it perfectly clear that back then they supported their own ministry by working. There is also the scripture about "counting the cost" implying that one should not undertake any project without making an assessment as to whether or not they could do it. But yet they always used to make statements about how we should "support the pioneers". At first I thought it referred to working with them as a partner out in service. Not necessarily so! What it meant was that they wanted the suckers in the congregation to "give" to the pioneers. Well, I was never stupid enough to do this! I wonder, however, if some in the cong. thought they were benefiting themselves by "giving" to a pioneer! Almost like in the catholic church when people put money in the basket or when people give money to the homeless. Maybe they thought they would be "saved" for doing this. But, if you examine the dub teachings, you must realize that everybody is supposed to be preaching. There is presumbly no dispensation for anybody. So, anybody who gives to a pioneer with that reason in mind is only fooling themselves if you analyze it. So, why give to them? You would in effect be paying for their everlasting life and the joke would be on you.
I often wonder if they are in a sneaky way trying to "morph" into a paid clergy class.
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Gilead students told...other JWs are a bunch of slackers!
by sir82 inmore blessings from the gilead instructors.... "it was brought out that christendom and the world smacks of .
baalism today.
sad to say, like the israelites sometimes even jehovah's .
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If anybody thinks I am going to give money or enable anybody to pioneer or whatever while I work full time - they can kiss my grits!!!
I don't dodge cars and maniacs to get to work everyday so I can support some wanna-be clergyman(woman).
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Why are beards so bad?
by bother_forever inwhats with the idelology behind jws that "bro's" with beards are undeserving of privledge and advacemet in their f**cked up org?
what jesus never had facial hair?
i remember hearing comments like " yes he's a lovely bro, but he'll not be used by the cong because he needs to shave his beard".
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The reason I was told they were bad was because they supposedly made you look like a 1970s radical and might antagonize some people at the doors.
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Do you judge others...
by jeanniebeanz in.
by their choice of words?
do bigger words equate to higher intelligence?.
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Whether we mean to or not, we cannot help but judge others by how they speak. And by judge it can mean just putting them in a social category in our minds (it is instantaneous usually). We may still like them but we will know by how they speak what socioeconomic background and what intelligence level they are.
People in certain professions have their own lingo and people who are in a strictly academic category have long list of $100 dollar words they use often.This is not in itself wrong. However, when in a mixed social setting it is certainly not necessary (and rather rude, I think) to use unusual vocabulary words. You can make yourself understood speaking in plain language.
There is no need to make others feel inadequate by showing off.