I was always annoyed by those awkward phrases that they lift directly out of the NWT and then plonk into the middle of a sentence - "buying out the opportune time" etc.
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What is your favorite DUB catch phrases (sayings,) ?
by PinTail inthese are just a few: how about this one, brothers the time left is reduced", do not take liberties with the sisters", charley calls", brothers and sister do not mark on the sides of your bibles", do you have secret sins", do not be saving seats", you will not be used if you wear a beard," parents are your children setting with you", are you buying out the oppertune time for your selfs", only use the motels the society wants you to use", and on and on like cults do.
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Atheists, Why the Anger?
by XJW4EVR inok, so you deny the existence of a god, or you lack belief in a god.
my question why do you get so angry over a mythical being?
no one gets as upset over the tooth fairy, santa claus or the easter bunny, as i have seen some of the atheists on this board get over the slightest mention of god.
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I guess the difference is that there aren't many people going around claiming special authority over others as a true messenger of the Tooth Fairy or Santa.
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Exposing psychological manipulation
by Ténébreux innot sure if this has been discussed before (probably) but this is something that just occurred to me:.
religions and cults employ some very well documented psychological techniques to deceive, persuade and control people - logical fallacies, thought-reform, etc.
techniques which can be easily identified in action when one is aware that they exist.
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What I mean (sarcasm aside) is that your average JW would probably agree that false religions are manipulative, but would strongly deny that the WTS is. So with manipulation techniques being so well documented and easily understood, wouldn't it be logical for the WTS to give a great deal more attention to this easily proveable difference between themselves and other religions? If the difference is so clear, they should be shouting it from the rooftops along with every other minor thing that they consider makes them unique.
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Exposing psychological manipulation
by Ténébreux innot sure if this has been discussed before (probably) but this is something that just occurred to me:.
religions and cults employ some very well documented psychological techniques to deceive, persuade and control people - logical fallacies, thought-reform, etc.
techniques which can be easily identified in action when one is aware that they exist.
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Not sure if this has been discussed before (probably) but this is something that just occurred to me:
Religions and cults employ some very well documented psychological techniques to deceive, persuade and control people - logical fallacies, thought-reform, etc. Techniques which can be easily identified in action when one is aware that they exist. In fact once you know the tricks it's difficult not to see them almost immediately.
False religions use these techniques because they have to. In stark contrast the Watch Tower's truths are self-evident, so manipulation of any sort is completely unnecessary.
Now, since part of the Watch Tower's mission is to educate people about false religions and their wily ways, I would have thought some sort of in-depth discussion of these maniupulation methods would be in order. By alerting people to the specific psychological tricks employed by false religions and apostates, it would empower them to see through deception and make a much better decision about who they should listen to. "These people use logical fallacies and thought-reform behaviour," they would say, "whereas Jehovah's Witnesses do not."
Looking through the Watch Tower CD, however, I was amazed and bewildered to find little or no discussion of these things. While they are eager to point out specific false teachings and practices of other religions, any detailed examination of exactly HOW cults persuade people to believe their falsehoods is conspicuously absent.
Why would this be? I'm confused.
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Silly Things You Can Do For Which Jehovah Will Kill You...
by gaiagirl ini was thinking about all the various people who the bible says have been killed by jehovah or his angels for various acts of disobedience.
here are a few of the ones i thought of....feel free to add your own eating a piece of fruit (slow death, 930 years) picking up some sticks on the sabbath preventing the ark of the covenant from falling when the guy carrying it stumbles living in a city where your family has lived for generations, in a region where jehovah has "given" the land to his "chosen" people dancing for your victorious warrior father, not knowing he has vowed to offer the first one out of the house as a burnt offering.
disagreeing with moses
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Making a prediction in His name which does not come to pass
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Memorial 2007
by Ténébreux inwell i just got back from the memorial, after being dragged along somewhat reluctantly.
during the talk, one statement in particular caught my attention which i hadn't heard previously.
the speaker was explaining why probably no-one there should be partaking of the matzo and wine, because on the night of the passover jesus began selecting his 144000 heavenly co-rulers starting with the 11 apostles who were present - and that from then on, most of jesus' other followers just observed and did not partake, recognizing that they were of the earthly class.
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Well I just got back from the memorial, after being dragged along somewhat reluctantly. During the talk, one statement in particular caught my attention which I hadn't heard previously. The speaker was explaining why probably no-one there should be partaking of the matzo and wine, because on the night of the Passover Jesus began selecting his 144000 heavenly co-rulers starting with the 11 apostles who were present - and that from then on, most of Jesus' other followers just observed and did NOT partake, recognizing that they were of the earthly class.
Unfortunately he forgot to cite the scripture for that one. Can anyone show me where the Bible talks about the other followers of Jesus observing without partaking and recognizing themselves to be of another class? As we all know, they don't just make up this stuff, so it must be there.
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As the saying goes - "If the black Nike fits, wear it."
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JW told us: Actually only 800 Annointed left!!
by Lady Liberty injust recieved a e-mail from a active jw friend.
my mom was talking to a friend from bethal and they were talking about the number of the 144,000 that are left(..... and i talked briefly about this)and how they feel that there are actually less then 800and remember .....i said there had been a talk or something on it?
well i guess it was a wt article that we studied(well i knew i had heard it somewhere!
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A less than 1 in 10 chance of being genuinely anointed? Who wants to bet that EVERY member of the Governing Body will manage to defy the odds?
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WHOPPING WTS LIES ON BLOOD
by DannyHaszard inrichard parker, a member of the jehovah`s witnesses, says that the refusal of transfusions is one of their fundamental beliefs.
based on what is written in the bible.. .
... that while it is a controversial issue, the refusal of transfusions is a matter of faith for witnesses, and deserves to be respected as their choice.
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How long before they openly state that it is a Conscience matter for the R&F.
I'd say 10 or 15 years, maybe. They've already taken the first step with the statement in the November 2006 KM that "The Bible does not give specific direction on the subject of fractions." When the Bible is silent on a matter, you can either take the approach that it does not specifically permit it or that it does not specifically forbid it, depending on what you wish to impose on others. Just the fact that they've started presenting the "not specifically forbidden" version means that they now wish blood to be seen as acceptable and are actively looking for reasons why. The next step will be a statement that "The Bible speaks only of eating whole blood, it does not give specific directions on its medical use..." But this has to take place a bit further down the track when medical use of blood fractions has been acceptable for as long as most can remember, thus making it a fairly minor change. Oh, and expect quite a bit of "Should a true Christian feel that Jehovah was unrighteous in allowing many to lose their lives by choosing to reject something that they might now accept without consequences? On the contrary, faithful Christians are overjoyed that their loved ones had the opportunity to publicly demonstrate such unwavering faith..." etc.
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The Watchtower justification for now allowing CIVILIAN SERVICE.
by jwfacts inafter tens of thousands of young witness men in the prime of their lives have spent years in jails for refusing civilian service in 1996 the watchtower decided such a choice was not unchristian and a matter of choice.
watchtower 1996 may 1 p.20.
what, though, if the state requires a christian for a period of time to perform civilian service that is a part of national service under a civilian administration?
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I love how they suggest in the first paragraph that people made these decisions in the past purely because of their own conscience, but then they talk about "consequences" in the very next sentence!