Posts by carla

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Question for Defd

by gringojj in

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defd we were talking earlier and i didnt want to hijack the other post.

we were talking about how i believe it is unfair for god to murder his children even though it is his fault that they dont follow his wishes not because they dont want to but because he did not make his wishes clear.. you said that his wishes are clear, but the devil distorts them.. you promised me you would provide me with some examples.

carla

The frustration of unanswered question should be expected. This happens at home as well, and the few times I met with elders. The minute you ask a question they would rather not think about they ask, why are you asking that? where did you come up this? some apostate? The source of the question should not matter at all if you claim to be God's mouthpiece. No question should be too tough. or too thought provoking. If you claim that the Bible is the source of your doctrine and can back up everything the wt spews out, then what is the problem with asking for scriptural backing to a question?

I think jw's must have so much inner turmoil, on one hand they know the question may be valid but the wt has not really explained to them why they should think a certain way yet. So they get angry. Simply believe because we are God's org. And why are you God's org? Cause the org said so.

Today, all I can feel for jw's is pity. (subject to change without notice)

Sorry your having a bad morning dfed.

carla

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I have alot of questions

by MrsBee in

my husband is a d'fed jw and i think he is gonna try and make his way back there .

they dont believe in fate?

(long story short, we were high school sweethearts, didnt see each other since xmas 1993 even though we lived in the same city then he ran into my mother xmas 2003, while i lived in charlotte and he was here in maryland, i moved back to maryland 3 weeks later and we were married 7 months after that- i believe in fate, i dont think its far fetched to believe that god has a plan for everyone).

carla

I'm sorry to welcome you to the club of ubm's (unbelieving mates). But, welcome to the board! You will find much support and many who can answer your questions. If I were you I would order or buy the Crisis of Conscience ( the C of C) book, NOW! I am married to someone who in the recent past has become baptized. I am not nor have ever been jw. In my experience, the marriage changes dramatically. As does the man/woman who becomes a jw. You may also want to check out some of Steve Hassan's books on mind control. It was a strange comfort to learn about the jdub smile, for instance, that was a facial expression I had never seen before in him. I've known him for over 20+ years. In Hassan's books it will tell how mind control will affect your husband in ways you never knew could happen. Or you think was only your imagination. If you can get him to look at the C of C book before he goes back you may have a chance of keeping him out. Or all the flip flops, child molsestation problems, etc.... Your marriage and relationship, I believe will change. Everything from what you watch on tv, to holidays, to your private sex life which is no longer private, to his judgemental attitude towards everybody else. The one thing I think I did do right through all this crap was never, ever, ever let my children step foot in a hall!!!! They are also aware of some of the more insane doctrines, pedophile issues, unchristian attitudes, discouragement of higher education, mental health issues, etc....etc.....

One bit of advice, don't call it a cult to his face. And they tend to get real annoyed when you let them know jehovah is not correct and that any vowel could be inserted jivhihi, juhaveh, etc... and you would not be grammatically damaging the name at all. Never mind that they already admitted it is not ther correct pronunciation. Oh, I could go on for hours. Start researching, simply type in exjw or start at Freeminds and then go the many links.

I am truly sorry. I wish you all the best. Get busy researching!

carla

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When you all left the truth.........

by defd in

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friends

did you leave your sense of humors behind as well?

carla

I think the hall removes any sense of humor, passion, interests, playfulness, love, personal responsibility, willingness to answer questions (and more than space permits) at the door. That's just what I have seen in my own personal experience of watching what they did to someone I love. How can one have a sense of humor when you wait all day for the big A to come, any minute now? And you never know, there may some really juicy doom & gloom story on the news!

On the other hand how can one have a sense of humor when you know your very own fds protects and hides pedophiles and you cannot seem to reconcile it in your own mind? Kind of puts a damper on things.

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Panicattack Update on my wife and family situation(thanks for helping guys)

by PaNiCAtTaCk in

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this is an update for any who have kept up with some of my former posts and have taken time out of their lives to give me advice on dealing with situations like having a wife who still believes and a child starting kindergarden.

these situations can quickly turn into a life crisis when a person doesnt know the proper way to deal with these things or know where to turn for help.

i am indebted to the internet and also websites like this for helping me to break free.

carla

Thank you for the update! I'm so glad you and your family are happy and are dealing with all of this. Gives the rest of us hope. All the best to you and yours, carla

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I got published!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Sirona in

firstly let me say wooohhooooo!

then i think i might say woooooohooooo!.

i got two short stories (flash fiction) published in a creative writing magazine.

carla

Congratulations!!!! Good for you! carla

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defd- taking bets on how long it takes for him to become apostate...

by in a new york bethel minute in

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haha i hope this doesn't come across as mean or jerky or libelous... but i can totally see defd becoming apostate... he posts here a lot which means he reads even more.

to me it's just a matter of "seeing it when you're ready to"... kind of like those 3d art things that were popular in the mid-90's... it's invisible until you make deep focus and at the same time blur your eyes to what you would normally see.

bethel

carla

Sorry to disappoint you.

As for the scripts you provided, before I answer and make a judgement, I want to make sure of all things, and reread them in their full context. For me that usually means reading at least the entire chapter and often the chapter before and after. I would not want to misrepresent the word of God in haste. I will reread the scripts in full context later. Futhermore, if you are a jw you are probably using the NWT which I don't recognize as a real translation of the Bible. So I need to check the scripts with a competent translation.

I hate to be the one to tell you this but, Pastors and Ministers of other churches do not have any kind of outline they must follow every week from some higher ups of the denomination. They are free to produce and write their own sermon every week. If you don't believe that, why don't you call and ask at least three different denominations? Of course when Easter, Christmas, etc... come around, certainly they make their focus on the reason for the holiday at hand.

I think I have asked you numerous times why God would appoint the wt as the fds? Who do you think the fds is if not the wt? Would you rather I call them the gb? ok. Why would Jesus have appointed the gb (or actually Rutherford in 1919, as there was no governing body then) over all His belongings? What was so unique to Rutherfords teachings at that time between 1914 (Russell died in 1916) to 1919? If Jesus chose this group/individual at that time, why do you not still believe what was being taught then? If you want me to believe that your org is in fact the fds of the Bible, then why can't you tell me why? Why would they above everybody else in the world be chosen? What was this proper food at the proper time? and why is not proper now?

Just trying to understand the whole fds thing. If you really believe that there is some fds appointed by Jesus in Brooklyn why will you not explain it? Can you understand my frustration? No jw can explain it to me. Nor are they willing to look at the very same information that Jesus had between 1914-1919. why?????????? Besides, I think the application for the script used for Brooklyn being the fds is totally wrong (Matt 24?)

carla

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defd- taking bets on how long it takes for him to become apostate...

by in a new york bethel minute in

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friends

haha i hope this doesn't come across as mean or jerky or libelous... but i can totally see defd becoming apostate... he posts here a lot which means he reads even more.

to me it's just a matter of "seeing it when you're ready to"... kind of like those 3d art things that were popular in the mid-90's... it's invisible until you make deep focus and at the same time blur your eyes to what you would normally see.

bethel

carla

dfed,

While I don't agree with your applications of the scriptures I see what you are trying to say. I however, would like to look at 'love your neighbor as yourself'. If I understand jw's, I believe they have so many meetings and publications because the continuous study of these, they believe brings them more knowledge of God. So you study, study, study the wt's. Yes, occasional look at the Bible to see if scripts are in there. Now, if you loved your neighbor, and who is your neighbor? All of us. If you loved them you would be as worried about their salvation as much as your own. You wouldn't give up on someone because they couldn't understand what you are trying to say. Imagine if teachers at school did that? They realize that different students sometimes need a different approach than others. The teacher adjusts to the student if possible. They allow questions and encourage research. Does the wt do that? Does all that business bring an actual personal relationship with God?

The reason for the door to door work doesn't make sense to me is exactly that. It seems to me that they really don't care about anybodies salvation really. If you don't accept their teachings right of the bat they will give up. To keep time slips seems so unbiblical and ungodly to me. If they truly cared about an individual the time slips would not be necessary. Reaching the individual would be of the upmost importance. The word of God would be the focus for the 'work'. Not how many hours someone puts in and some elder judging someones spirituality by time knocking on empty houses. They would be willing to discuss even the past history, scandals etc... People take their salvation very serious, not just jw's. You are asking them to blindly believe the wt. The fds. Yet, active jw's have never even questioned why would Jesus appoint this org over all? It is that important one must look at what Jesus had to look at at the time of the so called appointment. If you are talking eternity here, you better make darn sure that youv'e got it right. You will be held responsible. You will not be able to claim ignorance. You will be able to say I just didn't want to do the work at the time. You are asking people to believe something I don't think you or any jw can answer. Why would Jesus appoint the wt over everything? why? What were they and they alone teaching that was so special? If God somehow chose the wt over all, then you better be able to tell my why. And then you better be able to tell my why God changes his mind so often. If God is in charge of this org. there should not be so many changes. Even atheists know that the Bible says God is the same today, tomorrow, and yesterday.

As for knowing them by their fruits, can't you see all the human wreckage produced by the wt are the fruits of the wt? That is what the wt produces. Human wreckage. Sprititual wreckage.

Jesus sat, ate, and stayed with so called sinners. Would a jw sit down for a meal with a prostitute? They won't even sit down with someone who disagrees with them. Can you not see how similar the wt is with the Pharasees?

By the way you judge you also will be judged. (sorry don't have Bible at hand, may not be word for word) The harshness you use will be used on you as well, and that's when it will really matter. How many have been turned away from Christ by the wt? I see many examples. That is what they are turning out, that is their fruit. Their unforgiving nature produces people who have given up on God because they may believe that God has given up on them. Why? Because that's what was drilled in their head by the org. If you ever dare leave us, it is the same as leaving God!

You shall know them by their fruits indeed.

carla

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The latest JW pick up line

by DevonMcBride in

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friends

this week, one of my adult students told me a jehovah's witness knocked on her door and said he was there to teach her about "travel and tourism.

" not realizing who or what he was, she listened further and he went on to say that god had a reason for natalie halloway's disappearance.

at that point she told the old geezer she wasn't interested and closed the door.. i told her she should have asked him to ask god how to get the lowest prices on airline tickets.

carla

I just meant that I can't believe with the subject matter at hand (being God and Bible) someone would try and pick up the person knocking on the door! It's just, so, hmmm, trying to find the right word. It's just not proper. However, I have heard of a few people who do it as a joke to fluster jw's and mormons. But, I forget the view from the wt being that everybody else are sex addicts and immoral people the person knocking on the door would take it quite seriously. My apologies, carla

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defd- taking bets on how long it takes for him to become apostate...

by in a new york bethel minute in

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friends

haha i hope this doesn't come across as mean or jerky or libelous... but i can totally see defd becoming apostate... he posts here a lot which means he reads even more.

to me it's just a matter of "seeing it when you're ready to"... kind of like those 3d art things that were popular in the mid-90's... it's invisible until you make deep focus and at the same time blur your eyes to what you would normally see.

bethel

carla

defd,

There are a few of us here who never were jw, so technically we can't be apostate.

I really cannot see how you can stay. I don't understand. You must have seen the threads on the UN, the pain of unscriptural shunning, the sexual abuse stories, the human wreckage stories. How can those not touch you? I can see you must want to serve God. How can you see the flip flops (such as when they confused Jesus with Satan in the SAME year) and not be concerned? If your eternal salvation is at stake here, wouldn't you want to make sure that the FDS is who they say they are? Have you really researched this appointment? Have you looked at the same information that Jesus would have had to look at in 1914-1919? Were they (the org) really dispensing the proper food at the proper time? How so?

Yes sometimes people on the board can get a bit smart alecky (me too). Do you understand that for many this is the only place that anybody even understands what we are talking about? The general population don't really know anything about jw's. We at times just need to blow of a little steam due the frustration of having an org who is controlling your life when you have no choice in the matter. Or who has screwed up your life in the past. And some of the stuff out of the wt is just so silly you just have to laugh at it don't you? Like learning about sex from bovines. Come on, that's pretty silly stuff.

So pass of some of the smart alecky comments once and awhile and try to see where the other person may be coming from.

I do have one other question for you- I'm not trying to bring up the jgnat issue in particular, but you said she was unteachable and I think you insinuated that, that would be the end of trying to teach her anything. I have also heard that some people when in book study, after awhile if the non jw don't believe or can't due to scripture not matching, the jw will just give up. I have read a number of stories where Christians have continued, sometimes for years, to reach someone with the Gospel of Christ. And finally the person came to know Christ. Why do jw's just give up?

carla

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Thanksgiving question

by I quit! in

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thanksgiving day is almost here.

even sooner you live in canada.

my question is how do jws refer to it?

carla

What I don't get is that if jw's are really so against all the holidays and really wanted to show their devotion, why don't they offer to work on those days? Why take the day off? On one hand they condemn the (any) holiday yet take full advantage of the time off! I think I remember hearing in the news when some Jewish people offered to work for Christians on Christmas (if their calendar worked out) and likewise the Christians traded days for the Jewish coworkers when needed. But a jw who doesn't recognize any of the holidays should really live their faith and offer to work instead. Shouldn't they? Because in a way they really are recognizing the holiday.