Posts by Jeffro

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WT vs Norway - WT sends letter to the goverment saying they have now changed their practice on DF. Asks for their funding back

by liam in

disfellowshipping is slowly fading into the night.. last efforts to survive.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1gh3ilq/wt_vs_norway_wt_sends_letter_to_the_goverment/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button.

Jeffro

From translated version on Reddit:

If possible, we kindly request a response within three weeks from the date of this letter, by November 14, 2024.

Assuming the letter is legitimate and the translation is accurate, it almost seems as though the Watch Tower Society expects the Norwegian government to give them money again for 'changing' their shunning policies before updated versions of Shepherding the Flock of God and Organized to Do Jehovah's Will more clearly identify the actual changes to 'disfellowshipping' (a primarily semantic change) and 'disassociation' (not mentioned anywhere in the changes). Any reference to the treatment of 'apostates' also seems to be missing from the 'letter'.

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Biden calls Trump supporters garbage

by moomanchu in

a comedian in a comedy sketch at a trunp rally joked that the island of puerto rico is a floating island of garbage.. what to do???

potus pappy joe to the rescue!!

he sounds the alarm, comes out swinging and calls trump supporters, actual people, garbage.. .

Jeffro

moomanchu:

Biden's camp has 'clarified' what he actually said tho... spokesperson stated that 'Biden put an apostrophe after the word supporters'.
What does that even change?

I don't care about the tedious US politics, but the manner in which it changes the meaning of the statement is fairly obvious. Anyone who understands basic English would realise that the inclusion of an apostrophe indicates 'the garbage of or pertaining to his supporters' (such as hypothetical attitudes or rhetoric) rather than saying the supporters are themselves garbage.

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Loss of a Jehovah’s Witness who I considered a friend

by Fallen_Winter in

jw
friends

i have known a jehovah’s witness for approximately 15 years and i have considered her a friend although i know that jehovah’s witnesses cannot have friends who are not jehovah’s witnesses.

approximately two years ago, i was going through a very difficult time and i asked my friend if we could have bible study.

she said yes and we have been studying the bible since.

Jeffro

Fallen_Wintee:

She is a pioneer but not a full time pioneer. … I thought that Jehovah’s Witnesses were no longer counting hours.

JWs no longer need to report their number of hours as a minimum requirement to be counted as active members, they just have to tick a box to say they did any amount of preaching each month. However, pioneers (including ‘auxiliary’ pioneers) still have an hour requirement, so they have to report their time.

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Loss of a Jehovah’s Witness who I considered a friend

by Fallen_Winter in

jw
friends

i have known a jehovah’s witness for approximately 15 years and i have considered her a friend although i know that jehovah’s witnesses cannot have friends who are not jehovah’s witnesses.

approximately two years ago, i was going through a very difficult time and i asked my friend if we could have bible study.

she said yes and we have been studying the bible since.

Jeffro

Sorry to hear that. What you have described is by design.

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Was Hell Consistently Taught from Genesis to Revelation?

by Sea Breeze in

some sources cite that the word or concept of hell appears 167 times in the old and new testament.

jesus spoke about hell more than anyone else.

how can such consistent warnings by many different writers over 1600 years all be parables?

Jeffro

Sea Breeze:

How can such consistent warnings by many different writers over 1600 years all be parables?

Your fallacy: begging the question. There is no ‘consistent warning’ about hell throughout the Bible. Later interpretations were retroactively applied to the older texts. Additionally, later authors had access to the older texts. As such, your argument is neither accurate nor remarkable. (And it wasn’t over a period of 1,600 years. Some parts could have been written around the 10th century BCE, but the stories traditionally attributed to Moses were mostly written in the 6th and 5th centuries BCE.)

Jesus spoke about Hell more than anyone else.

There is no way of verifying that Jesus said anything attributed to him in texts written decades after his death.

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BABYLON THE GREAT IS NOT FALLING ANYMORE? (NEW LIGHT FROM THE ANNUAL MEETING)

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/rsbfa_7lqv4?si=muuxmgtll1n1ifad.

the watchtower’s babylon the great: a shrinking reality?.

so this latest annual meeting introduced a new idea about babylon the great, and here is the part from geoffrey jackson's talk we real need to dig in and consider it's ramifications..... so you’ve got to hand it to them; they know how to keep things interesting with their ever-evolving interpretations and, of course, those classic "adjustments" in understanding.

Jeffro

As is often the case, the change announced at the annual meeting is being made to be a bigger deal than it actually is.

The change introduced at the annual meeting was that the 'one thought' (Revelation 17:13) is now considered to refer to the 'nations' giving their authority to the UN rather than to destroy 'false religion'.

But the JW position that the UN, once it has been given authority in the imaginary scenario, will then 'turn against false religion' has not actually changed.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️

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Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

by slimboyfat in

the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

Jeffro

John spoke figuratively a lot. "In the beginning was the Word." Jesus is not literally a "word" just like he is not literally "light." John speaks figuratively.

🤦‍♂️ Calling Jesus ‘the word’ (Logos) was directly ripping off a Stoic branch of Greek philosophy. It’s just another pagan concept integrated into Christianity, like their beliefs about the Devil (Persian) and the garden of Eden (Babylonian).

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

If you don't believe in Him, then why do you spend so much time talking about Him?

That tedious line was literally one of the trite example shown in the video, ‘Theresa’. 🤦‍♂️🤣

You feeling rejected?

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

Jehovah mentioned Jesus in the Genesis 3:15 prophecy.
That was at the beginning of human history.

No part of that is true.

Making up theories and fairy tales doesn't negate reality.

🤣🤣😂🤣😂 see above