Posts by yaddayadda

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A kindler, gentler, WTB&TS?

by FaithfulDoubter in

ok, i've looked 3 times now through the new study book: what the bible really teaches and i can't find 1 depection of armageddon in it.

(if i'm wrong, someone please point it out!

) is this the beginning of the society trying to create a more loving image?

yaddayadda

By 'depiction' do you mean 'illustration'? The book must still surely mentions Armageddon right?

Wasn't there a very recent brochure that has some nasty scenes of Armageddon illustrated therein?

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'I love Jehovah'! What is that supposed to mean?

by Gill in

i'd like someone to explain to me, why so many people come out with the phrase, 'i love jehovah'?.

what is it that they're meant to be loving?.

jehovah was a pretty nasty war god of the israelites.

Huh? Jehovah IS God, the Almighty Creator, the Father, Yahweh, the God of Jesus. It's just a transliterated version of Yahweh, so what is the problem? It's no different to saying 'I love God'. Now if you want to argue that Jehovah is just a Hebrew tribal mythological God that is another story, but JW's don't believe that so what is the big deal?.

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7th day adventists

by yaddayadda in

jw
friends

can anyone direct me to a good website or thread on here that talks about any spin-off groups after they officially accepted the trinity doctrine, in the early 1980's i think, in order to join the world council of churches.

was there any fragmentation in the 7th day adventists when this happened?

any help would be appreciated.

yaddayadda

Can anyone direct me to a good website or thread on here that talks about any spin-off groups after they officially accepted the trinity doctrine, in the early 1980's I think, in order to join the World Council of Churches. Was there any fragmentation in the 7th day adventists when this happened? Any help would be appreciated.

cheers.

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"seven times" in Daniel applied to whom?

by truth about the last days in

this is something of intrest to all.so far many have learned that the "seven times" in dan 4:25 had seemed to apply that the 2520 yrs from the date 607bc took us to the date 1914. seeing now that conclusive evidence that the 607bc date is wrong and the date 587 or 586bc is the correct date, this puts the calulations out of wack.

so who did the "seven times"apply to?

well, if the whole chapter 4 and verses 20+21 of chapter 5 is read, we can see that the "seven times" only applied to nebuchadnezzar himself- and no one else.

yaddayadda

Here's one possible explanation for what the 7 times mean:

SEVEN in the scriptures is a number that signifies completeness, or bringing a period or work to a completion. In historical sections of the scriptures, seven frequently occurs to denote completeness or finishing a work completely Jos 6: 2-4, 15, 1Ki 18:42-44, 2Ki 5:10, 12 Ps 12:6, Pr 24:16, Ps 119:164.

TIMES is translated in the scriptures 10 times from the Aramaic word "iddan" as an appointed time period or set season.

SEVEN TIMES therefore carries the scriptural meaning:

Of an appointed time period set for completely finishing an activity.

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1914 question

by drew sagan in

put aside all of the 607 b.c.e., there is another question that i'm not familiar with and mabyee some of you know what there explanation is, or if they don't even address the issue.

we are all familiar with the account in daniel chapter five, and nebuchadnezzars dream about the tree.

daniels explanation of this dream begins: .

yaddayadda

U may find this explanation of what the tree is intriguing http://www.bric.uk.com/rp.no13.html

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1914 question

by drew sagan in

put aside all of the 607 b.c.e., there is another question that i'm not familiar with and mabyee some of you know what there explanation is, or if they don't even address the issue.

we are all familiar with the account in daniel chapter five, and nebuchadnezzars dream about the tree.

daniels explanation of this dream begins: .

yaddayadda

Keith, are you saying that this teaching re the tree was Rutherford's baby and not Russell's?

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WTS-UN Human Rights Connection?

by Van Gogh in

sorry to regurgitate some "old light" onto your keyboards folks, but i came across the following link: .

http://www.unhchr.ch/huridocda/huridoca.nsf/0/66cf0523c6217c4b802567cc002f8b0e?opendocument .

it shows how the wts was represented by three different observers from three different ngo's at the annual meeting of the human rights commission of the united nations in may 1999: .

yaddayadda

Yea, the explanation is simple. They totally lied re the library card excuse and quite plainly had an agenda to become an NGO to engage in lobbying via the UN for more religious freedom. Admirable motives but scurrilous hypocrisy, double-standards and deception.

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Doctrine on Homosexuality

by DaveNwisconsin in

i was reading on the web about gays and jw's.

first of all i am gay.

i am not saying i am sorry as i don't feel there is anything bad about it.

yaddayadda

Inquisitor, there are probably numerous closet gays in the organisation. Until such time as they keep it in the closet, they remain in the organisation in clean standing, whether they stay single or attempt to extinguish their gay feelings by getting married to a sister. Many gay men, it seems, cannot help having those feelings. They only get dissed if they start engaging in gay practices and are not 'repentant.' You can't be dissed for having gay feelings, only acting upon them.

It would be cruel and unloving for any closet JW man to marry a sister, just for appearances sake, knowing that he can not give her the love and physical intimacy she deserves. Only a moron would do such a thing, but as we know, there are lots of those in the organisation.

Maybe Blondie can find that article I referred to earlier?

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Doctrine on Homosexuality

by DaveNwisconsin in

i was reading on the web about gays and jw's.

first of all i am gay.

i am not saying i am sorry as i don't feel there is anything bad about it.

yaddayadda

Wasn't there an article in one of the mags a few decades back about a gay man who eventually married a sister, and he made sure she knew his background, and she still loved him?. He said he sometimes still felt an attraction for men but was happily married to his wife nonetheless?

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may be this can help (not only witnessing to witnesses)

by Shazard in

sometimes when some jw tries to "prove" you something from scripture, it is usefull to observe the question from oposite direction.

for example, if jw tries to prove that word "proskuneo" towards jesus christ means only "homage" then ask, how it should be written if author of gospel would like to show somebody worshiping jesus christ (no matter what reason).

if jw tries to prove that world was not created in 7 astronomical days, but in 7 "periods" each longing millions of years, then ask how it should be written in bible in case (for some mistical reason) if author of genesis would like to say that the world was created in 7 astronomical days, wat words or constructs then he should use!

yaddayadda

I think JW's are a mixed bag. In my opinion they correctly consider the overall context of the bible when it comes to rejecting the Trinity and immortal soul teachings. Yet on smaller matters they ignore the context.