Posts by yaddayadda

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questions to ask your BIBLE STUDY CONDUCTOR

by jwfacts in

i have just written the following (long) article.

i would appreciate comments and suggestions on things i can add or subtract.. .

baptism as one of jehovahs witnesses is a significant step as it is a life time commitment to the watchtower society.

yaddayadda

great questions. You could do more re 1914 though, with questions like: Q How long does Jesus rule in heaven for A 1,000 years Q Oh, so that means the 1,000 year reign has already started? A Err, no, not yet. Q So who is the ruler of the world? A Satan is. Q Oh, but I thought the Kingdom started ruling in 1914. A Err, yes it did, but it has not yet extended its rulership to earth. Q So when is the separation of the 'sheep' and the 'goats' A In the future, during the great tribulation. Q So that is when the wheat get separated from the weeds? A Err, no, that has been ongoing since 1914.

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YOU must pray, then, this way:

by ButtLight in

"our father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.

10 let your kingdom come.

let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.

yaddayadda

I've never heard it said in any of the 'modern' church group services I've attended either. In fact, it seems that most of those churches flout Jesus instruction to pray to the 'Father', choosing instead to pray directly to 'Jesus', something which is simply not found in scripture at all. Actually I've heard Pastors pray to the Father and then start talking to Jesus half way through, and some pray directly to Jesus and then refer to him as the Father. One of them starting of her prayer to the Father and half-way through thanked the Father that he came and gave up his life and shed his blood for us. Most of them are totally confused about what the heck they are praying to and worshipping, fudging and criss-crossing between God, the Father, the Lord, Jesus all willy-nilly. It seems to be squeezing the gnat and gulping the camel to harshly criticise JW's for not repeating the 'our Father' prayer word for word when most other Christian religions are even guilty of something worse, ie, praying directly to Jesus and often ignoring praying to the Father altogether.

There are only two incidences, I believe, in the bible of someone addressing Jesus directly after his death, and both are debateable as to whether they were prayers to Jesus per se because both were said during a vision when the speaker was seeing Jesus directly in heaven.

They're all just as guilty as each other of not following the scriptural instructions for prayer, the lot of them.

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Watchtower "Worship"

by Sunspot in

let's discuss "watchtower worship"....or the understanding of the idea of "worship".

this is defined as "a reverence for god" in my dictionary.

the cold and clinical buildings that they "worship" in,

yaddayadda

6) In any Kingdom Hall...there is NO indication of a belief in God OR Christ, as in pictures, statues, etc on the walls, or on the building itself. No clue who or what they believe in OR worship...zip-zero-nada-ALL KHs are devoid of ANYTHING that would give a hint that "anyone worships" there.

That's not quite correct. Every Kingdom Hall out the outside has 'Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses' so they clearly identify Jehovah as who they are all about.

It all depends how you define what 'worship' is. Is anyone interested in posting up every reference to 'worship' in the NT so we can use that as the benchmark. I think you will find it covers a range of things, such as, prayer, song, preaching, reading your bible, charitable works, etc. JW's sing and pray and read their bibles, so they do some worship for sure, let's be reasonable. And at least they try to worship 'the Father' (John 4:23) and give him most of the credit, as Jesus himself did, although it is true they grossly fail to honor Jesus sufficiently (John 5:23) and definitely revere the Watchtower Society ahead of Christ.

I've been to some of the contemporary churches and there is a lot of fluff and emotionalism in them, for sure. I think all of these modern 'rock n roll' religions are just at the other end of the spectrum to the JW's - they are all singing, emotions, waving your arms, jumping up and down like a tribal African, etc. Music seems pretty much their substantive form of worship. I don't see much of an emphasis on music in the NT. And it's all directed to Jesus, in direct contrast to Jesus emphasis on worship of the Father. I find the pentecostal church type worship often pretty mawkish and superficial. It can be just as obnoxious as the JW's emotionally sterile, book-wormy style. JW's are on the other extreme - they have no sense of real joy in their worship, no idea about having a relationship with Christ, no praise from the heart.

They are all just as guilty as each other. No one has the right balance.

I'm no WT apologist, I just think this thread is portraying a bit of a false dichotomy.

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Letter to my Mom.

by jeeprube in

two nights ago i got fed up and decided to e-mail my mother with some concerns.

it was nice to see you as well mother, and i love you too!

i like your car, please be safe when you drive it.

yaddayadda

Great letter. The society even contradicts itself in that outline because I'm sure there are specific Watchtower quotes to be found where the 'faithful and discreet slave' demands full submission and obedience. Perhaps they need to bring out a new talk entitled 'Who is in Control - Christ or the Society?' because it seems there is a conflict.

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Increase of war--staggering statements from the Really Teach book

by M.J. in

the "bible teach" book, on p.89 says:millions of people have been killed in wars during the past century.

one british historian wrote: "the 20th century was the most murderous in recorded history...it was a century of almost unbroken war, with few and brief periods without organised and armed conflict somewhere.

" a report from the worldwatch institute states: "three times as many people fell victim to war in [the 20th] century as in all the wars from the first century ad to 1899.

yaddayadda

The 31 year period from 1914 to 1945 does seem almost to be the bloodthirstiest period of history, perhaps apart from the 13th century. One can almost understand why Judge Rutherford got all excited. But what seems most odd is that since 1945 the world has been in relatively the most peaceful period in all human history. Doesn't Carl Olof Jonson's book have quotes from historians that support this? If it's true then it certainly seems that the four riders of the apocalypse went back into their stalls in 1946.

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Buy This

by Honesty in

and all people will know that you are my disciples, if you:.

attend 5 kingdom hall meetings each week.. report at least 10 hours a month in field service.. confess sins to your local elders.. report any other person's sins to your local elders.. believe everything the "faithful discreet slave" publishes in the pages of the watchtower.. wear a coat and tie (male) or modest skirt/dress (female) to all kingdom hall meetings.. do not 'partake' of the wine and bread at the memorial.. .

do all of the above and you might be in line for this:.

yaddayadda

And even after all those decades of faithfully going to the meetings, getting 10 hours, marking up for the meetings, etc, only "...probably you may be concealed in the day of Jehovah's anger".

Aaahh stuff it, may as well just eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we are probably going to die.

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Annual Watchtower theme articles?

by yaddayadda in

hi, apparently the society publishes every year study articles on a certain theme (eg, an annual 'donations' article, an annual 'why women are valued in the bible' article, etc).

i'm just wondering how many of these supposed theme articles are put out each year, and do they generally appear at the same time each year?

can we guess what some of these up and coming study articles might be be?

yaddayadda

Hi, apparently the Society publishes every year study articles on a certain theme (eg, an annual 'donations' article, an annual 'why women are valued in the bible' article, etc). I'm just wondering how many of these supposed theme articles are put out each year, and do they generally appear at the same time each year? Can we guess what some of these up and coming study articles might be be? Just how much of a predictable broken record has the organisation turned into?

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Best Committee Meeting Yet - They threatened to call the police on me!

by SickofLies in

yeee haaa!

i'm an outlaw now!

the elders warned me that if any i talk about anything said in the judicial committee or post any pictures i've taken, i'm in big trouble and i don't want these people as enimies!

yaddayadda

Hehe look at their faces. Sure looks like you make them squirm. They love to give it but hate to take it. They have the expressions of the self-righteous pharisees as depicted in Watchtower illustrations when Paul or Jesus was talking to them.

And look at all his manuals and books laid out. The young dweeb elder is busy checking all the manuals. 'What the heck do I do now...where does the manual tell us how to deal with belligerent apostates, dammit. There's gotta be some directive here somewhere, dammit'

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UN. FIASCO

by dvw in

has the wts.

ever made any announcements to the r/f concerning the un.

involvement?

yaddayadda

"I had read somewhere that the bethelite who headed the un scandal apologized in his Kingdom Hall (Brooklyn Heights) This KH has 3-4 members of the GB."

REALLY? That is interesting. Can you findout who it was? I doubt this is true somehow.

Bet he never got reproved huh? How come the Joe Blow publisher can't just stand up in front of the congregation and apologise for getting drunk, having a cigarette, or fondling his girlfriends norty bits, yet pricks like Ciro Aulicino who decided it was ok to join the UN don't even get so much as a slap on the hand for what is, by the Society's own definition, rank apostasy. Rank hypocrites.

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Free Home Bible Study, NOT!

by VM44 in

"would you like a free home bible study?

" the jws ask people at their door.. the problem is, the study is not free, and is not a bible study!.

not a bible study?

yaddayadda

"That's right, the JWs used "Bible study aids" rather than the Bible when they conduct the home study. The Bible is not studied to find out what it teaches, rather, a Watchtower publication is studied instead! The "Truth" book, the "Knowledge" book, the "Draw Closer to God" book and so on, are all substituted for the Bible. "

LOL. Well I guess this thread just shows that even raving apostates are just as prone to extreme black-and-white fallacious argumentation that they accuse the Society of.

Name me one Christian religion or group that doesn't use or promote some kind of 'study aid' with the bible.