Posts by conflicted

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Did They Go Too Far?

by DCs Ghost in

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read the following when you get a chance .

i am curious to your reaction.

.. http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0135/koerner.php.

That is ludicrous! I am very vociforous when it comes to my first ammendment rights! If I want to write a story or draw a picture I HAVE THAT RIGHT. As long as nobody is hurt in the process, anyone should be able to do this.

Subject matter should not be a factor. Although pedophelia disgusts me, and I wouldn't read it, the law doesn't discriminate. If a man can be sent to prison for writing a pedopheliac story, a man can be sent to prison for writing a story involving ANY other crime as well. This case sets a precident that, if not turned over by a higher court, threatens to abolish the right of any person to produce fiction or art containing anything illegal.

How many movies or television have you seen where a murder is commited - and I don't mean graphi,c bloody, slasher films. Even the writers behind 'Murder She Wrote' are guilty of inciting murder if this isn't stopped.

Imagine this:

James Cameron sentenced to 15 year prison term

His hit television show 'Dark Angel' portrays the main character causing the death of innocent people, therfore Mr. Cameron is guilty of inciting murder. And according to State vs. Dalton the written word is equal to the crime itself. Cameron will be eligible for parol in 2010.

I know this is farce, but that IS where we are headed if this isn't put to an end NOW.

Scary!

20

Women admit to regular lies

by JanH in

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women admit to regular lies .

nearly one in four british women would try to conceive without their partner's consent if they wanted a baby, research suggests.

a survey by women's magazine that's life!, found that many women are prepared to lie about almost any aspect of their life.

conflicted

EVERYBODY lies, it's a fact. Morals deteriorate daily. Some attempt to make the world a better place by trying to set a good example of proper behavior and decorum, and are thought prudish or "old fashioned".

Now, I'll get of my soapbox and say...

I do lie on occasion, but not daily.
I usually feel bad when I do it.
I would stay with my partner if she lost sexual interest in me, and if she robbed a bank I'd make her split the money with me.
Infidelity and multiple partners are a definite no-no, but I would whore myself for large a sum of cash.

Have fun!

45

What should we name the baby?

by Eyebrow in

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i am due in the middle of october and my husband and i cannot come up with a name.

i almost had him sold on venus, until he asked people at work what they thought and he got wierd looks.

i wanted to name the last baby sidney, but let him name her because he has never gotten a chance to name a kid before.

conflicted

My wife and I are also expecting a little one. How about these names:

Boys-

Asswipe (pronounced osweepe)
Lemuel
Casper
Umbaldo

Girls-

Griselda
Betilda
Shakira
Willamina

My wife doesn't like any of those names, she has no sense of humor.

Seriously; Marcus, Gilbert, Derrick - Sadie, Zoe, Gwenn
I like those :)

9

Is God an alien?

by sleepy in

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i once gave a public talk and part of the information was dicussing did god have a begining.. i didn't find much concrete evidence in the bible for god not having a begining except scriptures that said he was from time indefinate.. which doesn't answer the question.. also when it says he made the heavens and the earth could this just mean the sky and earth ?.

i don't know hebrew so could someone help me there?.

anyway what about this scripture isaiah 43:10 .

conflicted

Man was created in God's image - if you believe the bible's version of events.

Therefore it seems that God has a form - he looks like us, or we like Him.

So, I was right all along - I am Godlike!

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What is the real meaning of life?

by Nicolas in

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i mean, if we have been created by the evolution then, our life really have no purpose.

we live about 80 years and then we die and it's finish.

it seem really dull to me.

conflicted

This is MY opinion only, I just post it to see what you think, not to convince you that it is true.

Religion is anti-life. The sole point of religion is to prepare one for the "next level". Unfortuneately, nobody knows if there is a next level. Those with unshakable faith will say they know, but even they don't know, they hope.

I say we are alive now, if you have to search for a meaning behind your existance, go for it - you have that right. If you are satisfied with you life and are happy in being you, great, you have that right as well.

I for one dont need someone else to tell me why I am here, the fact that I am is good enough. I live a peaceful life, and that is all I wish for everyone else. I am an individual, and I don't need to belong to an organization (not just JW's, but ANY group) to make me feel whole.

On the other hand, some people DO need a group to define themselves, and again, I say they have that right.

If organized reigion makes you happy...
If raising a proper and decent family makes you happy...
If being one with yourself makes you happy...

Happiness is the answer, because in the end each one of us is going to do... what makes us happy.

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Going on the OFFENSIVE with relatives....

by LDH in

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well, i just replied to reagan in another thread, and wanted to share my latest thoughts on family.

anyone please tell me if you have used this tactic successfully.. i am no longer content to wait to get bashed with witty little jw-isms.

nope.

conflicted

You go girl!

Good for you. Your last post was my thoughts exactly.

THEY are willing to cut all contact to defend their beliefs, in their minds we must be wrong unless we are willing to do the same.

If you are going to go on the offensive you have to anticipate their reaction and have a counter for it. Stay one step ahead. They will try to shut down when they run out of arguments, be ready to wake them up, never stop until you succeed.

Good luck!

174

get a life -- 10 facts

by joelbear in

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i thought it would be interesting for people to just post a few things about themselves so we can get to know each other just a bit.. try posting 10 facts about your life.. joel.

1. i was born and raised in south georgia.. 2. my favorite subject in school was math.. 3. i was in the fulltime service (bethel and pioneer) for 4 years.. 4. my favorite color is blue.. 5. mitch and i have been together over 12 years.. 6. we live in a suburb of atlanta georgia.. 7. we love to eat out and have friends over for dinner and board games.. 8. the only sport i was ever any good at is tennis.. 9. my favorite tv show of all time is the simpsons.. 10. we are both naturists and wish we could lay on the beach naked every day.

conflicted

This is great! I feel like I know you all a littler better now.

This is me.

1) I am the oldest of four children, 30 years old now.
2) My whole family is out of the "truth" now. :)
3) My wife and I have been married for 3 years, and we are expecting our first child. :D
4) I love to read, mostly sci-fi.
5) My hobbies are art, aquariums, genealogy and astronomy.
6) I was born and have lived my life thus far in southern California
7) I like tattoos, but don't have one yet.
8) I want to be a computer animator, ie Shrek, Bugs Life etc.
9) I love comedy movies. Some fav's are: Dumb and Dumber, Princess Bride, Uncle Buck, Tommy Boy, Wedding Singer.
10) I think crop circles are graffiti by delinquent teenage aliens.

[edited to correct spelling]

12

The naive JW and the naive apostate.

by dmouse in

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im sure you have heard comments like these from naive jws:.

the society never said that armageddon would come in 1975, it was just a few brothers who went over the top.

(so you dont remember the watchtower article why are you looking forward to 1975?

conflicted

I think there are three kinds of witnesses in this particular circumstance.

1) The diehard, devout witness. These will ignore anything negative about the society, because that is where there faith lies. For their entire lives they have spouted Jehovah this..., Jehovah that..., but have had 'society this' and 'society that' whispered into everything they read and hear. They will defend the society to the grave, even when irrefutable evidence is produced to the contrary. When information negative to the society is brought up, they are the first to close their ears and minds. They are so indoctrined and rooted in their ways that they will probably never change.

2) The mainstream, average witness. These witnesses are typically 1st or 2nd generation, they have had years of brainwashing, but there is still a hint of logic left in their mindset. They typically question the elders regarding doctrine, which is good, but they take the elders word at face value without further question, which is bad. These people will probably view bad news about the organization as persecution, the same as the diehards, but evidence here is vital. The more trustworthy the proof, the greater the wedge between these witnesses and the society. News from other witnesses in in this group carry a ton of weight here, they are trusted and listened to. This is the best group to offer convincing positive proof that the society needs to change. This is probably 80% of all JW's. They write letters to the GB, they attend meetings, they go out in feild service. The society needs to keep this group happy if they wish to continue the worldwide magaizine selling, er placing work. The GB has to change doctrine when this group begins to doubt.

It is for the benefit of these people that the org has flip-flopped so many times already. The BG watch the news, they know what these people are hearing, and they produce "new light" when it is necessary to keep these people happy because unhappy witnesses dont sell magazines.

They are generally good people, and they will have real problems with the society if the pedophile issue isn't taken care of.

3) I don't know that I would even categorized this group as "witnesses" in the strictest definition of the word, I speak here of those "weak in the truth". There are different kinds of witnesses in this group: new bible studies, those that less frequent in the field and meeting attendance, those that have had troubles in the congregation and recieved more greif instead of support. The possibility is really good that they will listen to the news we have to share with them, but they don't hold any weight in the congregation, so they aren't going to help changes to take place at the GB level. At best they will listen, bring their questions to the elders, but it will end there with them being councilled to gird their loins agianst the "worldly influences".

There is a glimmer of hope for the society. They know that tough times are ahead, they have already started the propaganda mill to head off the "evil apostates".

We need to continue with these issues as we always have. Get it out so the general public knows - mainstream media, much to the detriment of the society, is still a powerful tool. People DO watch, they will hear, and the society will have to address the issue and change their ways to keep the average publisher happy.

Is that naive? I think not.

44

funniest signs

by buffalosrfree in

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i was driving down the street the other day and seen a sign for a store the sign read.. "kocks liquor" .

i immediately had visions rolling about my head.

talk about roflmao.

conflicted

"Arrow Radiator"
Coolest place in town to take a leak.

Cracks me up every time I see it.

77

JW Child Abuse: An Insider's Insight

by silentlambs in

i post the following at the request of barbara anderson.. .

as a result of the newspaper report calling attention to my actions i feel compelled to provide further information that has come to light and deserves full exposure.. the society is very much aware of my intentions, because of a private e-mail i innocently wrote someone was forwarded to the society without my permission.

you can read it in its entirety, below.

conflicted

Just moving this back to the top. It's too important to let go just yet.

I am speechless. I never even heard about this problem until I started reading posts here. Incredible.

Fortunately I never had any experiences of this sort, and I feel terrible for those who have.

I doubt that there will be one great incident to bring the downfall of the society, they are just to large and their greatest weapon is the mind control they have over their members. I agree with Jeremy, there will be a snowball effect, and when it reaches the individual congregation level it will be too big to ignore.

Their long term success is dependent upon a great influx of new members. This isn't going to happen with a child molestation scandal being released by the media. New bible studies are going to question JW policies more closely, current witness families who have battled this problem locally will see that it isn't a single incedent, but a major flaw within the entire organization - "God's organization". An organization run by men, but directed by God? Permitting a safe haven for pedophiles, even letting suspects of these crimes continue to worship in good standing and keep positions of power while the victim is further persecuted by forced silence or disbelief by those who should protect them. I doubt any God would permit this, even the vengeful, bloodthirsty God of the Old Testiment would strike down those who dared molest His congregation.

The guidlines for handling incidents of this nature are published and distributed by the organization. And therein lies their downfall. The elders (who are NOT blameless by any means), are following directions coming straight from the belly of the beast.

They can change all the policies they want, anyone with children of their own would do well to stay as far away as possible from this snakes den of child predation.

The org. can try to place themselves in a good light - "We are innocent, we knew not what was occuring in our very midst." But they literally wrote the book on how these events are to be taken care of.

The Big Bad Wolf is running scared now, for it is time for his house to be blown down. Woe be to those in partnership with the beast when judgement day comes.