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  Scary stuff.... I've just realized that I could be disfellowshipped at any time

  by Quillsky in

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  i like to think that i have escaped the cult completely, since i, and members of my close family, faded away years ago.

  however, i have recently realized that my "elder" uncle, my father's older brother, could technically have me disfellowshipped, such as if he figures out that i post on an "apostate" message board (i've tried to direct my cousin here), or sees me smoking in a restaurant in the small town we all live in, or hears from my father that my boyfriend and i have been away for a weekend together.. so i've recently discovered this fear.

  although i believe i'm "out" i'm still trapped in a way.

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  alanv

  This is exactly why JWs are regarded as a cult. All you have done is say you no longer want to be one. You need to find out how members of the family would regard you if you did diassossiate yourself. Try showing the following quote from the Awake July 2009 page 29

  Although the Bible makes a clear distinction between true and false teachings, God allows each person the freedom to choose how he or she will respond. (Deuteronomy 30:19, 20) No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family. Does study of the Bible lead to family breakup? No. In fact, the Bible encourages a husband and wife who practice different religions to remain together as a family.—1 Corinthians 7:12, 13.

  You have found it unacceptable to worship the JW way. Therefore you should be allowed the freedom to live your life as you see fit Good luck.
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  A disfellowshipped person shunned me!

  by keeshondgirl in

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  just curious of anyone else's experience with this watchtower behavoir.. i ran into a df person 2 weeks ago and she tried hiding from me, my guess she was embarrassed and knew i shouldn't talk to her, but i approached her anyway.

  we hugged and talked briefly.

  she told me she was disfellowshipped, she knew i wasn't attending meetings.

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  alanv

  If you want to simply fade you must be very careful what you say anywhere. As your husband says you sound like an apostate and if it gets to the elders you could find them hounding you. If you come accross as no longer believing the faithful and discreet slave it could make you liable for disfellowshipping. Particularly if you were baptised after they changed the baptism questions that includes the statement that you believe all the unique JW teachings, then you could be in for a rough ride.
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  JW tract

  by isaacaustin in

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  2. scandals

  http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/t83_e.pdf.

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  alanv

  As always the gov body are very selective in what they say.

  I wonder what the Russian people would think of JWs if they new that approx 200000 have died in the last 60 years because of their medical beliefs.

  Or how would they feel if they went into the religon then decided it was not right and the rest of their JW family never spoke to them again.

  As always there are two sides to every story.
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  Branch Letter May 1974

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  branch.

  letter.

  dear kingdom publishers:.

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  alanv

  It's truly amazing that the society was building and enlarging and yet the Kingdom Ministry was telling of brothers selling their assetts to enable them to spend more time in the service in the final months before the big A.

  Boy were we taken in.
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  Bible Prophecies are OBVIOUS like shooting ducks in a barrell...these things always happened!

  by Witness 007 in

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  yes the new thought is increased earthquakes shows the end is near!!!!!!!!

  predicting "earthquakes, wars, pestilence, hunger" is like predicting the sun will rise tommorow!

  durrrrr!

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  alanv

  Yes no bets on what the dubs will be speaking about on the doors at the moment. And yet the society themselves have admitted in the past that earthquakes are no greater in our time than other times in human history.

  I remember when I was in whatever the bad news was at the present time, that is what I would talk about to people (sigh)
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  Why Blame God?

  by wannabe in

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  why blame god?.

  he said to the woman, "did god really say, 'you must not eat from any tree in the garden'?

  so, whose really to blame for the thousands of years of suffering and death?

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  alanv

  Can you imagine if one of our sons deliberately went against us on a serious issue. Yes it may well afect our relationship in the coming years with him but it certainly would not mean that we have it in for his ancesters 6000 years down the line.

  The whole account is a joke. Notice how the WT adds things that are not in the account. They decide it is God's heavenly woman refered to. But it does not read that way. Also where does it say the sead would take thousands of years to put things right again.
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  Did King Solomon believe in any life/hope after death?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  read the entire book of ecclesiastes, it's all about death, what do you think?.

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  alanv

  It was the Saducees who didn't believe in the resurrection. That is why they were sad you see. Get it. (old circuit overseer joke) lol
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  How many have left your congregation ?

  by leo999 in

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  2. experiences

  hi everyone ,.

  there are many new folk joining here everyday , and i thought it may be interesting and fun to just see how many people have left the congregation that you have attended in the past 5 years .

  i dont mean of course people who are active jw's moving to another cong , but people that have left the wt religion , faded , da'd or df'd .. so , i will start off with my own cong .there have been 9 leave , 8 completely gone , myself hardly ever there and ' inactive ' .. leo999.

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  alanv

  It depends what part of the world you are from. Certainly in Europe they are leaving as fast as they are coming in. However in good old USA there was an apparant increase of 4%. (how did that happen?)
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  Another bit of unexplainable hypocrisy

  by Mad Sweeney in

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  ask a dub acquaintance this and see if they have anything resembling a rational answer:.

  you: when you're at a public event and the announcer says, "please rise for the playing/singing of the national anthem," you refuse to stand because that would be considered an act of nationalistic worship, correct?.

  dub: correct.. you: why then, when a jw is in a courtroom and the baliff says, "all rise for the honorable judge whatsherface, court is now in session," do jws stand up?

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  alanv

  When my son got married recently at the Kingdom Hall, it became obvoius at the practice, that the congregation were not going to stand up when the bride entered. When I asked about it the Presiding Elder said 'well it's like worship isn't it. I was amazed that a simple act of respect could somehow be an act of worship. I kid you not.
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  "Behold, I am coming soon".

  by Doug Mason in

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  2. bible

  at its opening and at its end, the book of revelation addresses its message to seven specific churches in a well-defined region of asia:.

  opening: to the seven churches in the province of asia.

  1:4, all citations are from the niv).

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  alanv

  I always had a problem with the society quoting the 1000 years is as one day to God. The whole of the Greek scriptures gives the impression that everything Jesus spoke about would happen very soon.

  Common sense should tells us that he was not talking about 2000 years in the future. If that means what he said did not take place then so be it!