all the earthquakes, mudslides, and now volcanic ash in the sky of europe grounding air-travel.. the end is nigh!.
jeff.
Yes I thought the same Jeff. The earthquakes do seem to be coming regularly in a short space of time. Also they are bound to be saying something about the cloud of ash that has descended over Europe.
It's the unsuspecting householders that I feel sorry for. Many are often taken in when something like this happens.
if scientology has narcanon, and it has gotten people off drugs (although that 85% sucess rate they say they have is suspect), and becoming a jw sorta forces you into line, would it make sense to leave someone in if they were helping them?
if you knew somebody was a drunk, sex addict, drug addict, what have you, and they were studying, and it appeared that they were actually being helped (albeit by twisted means) would you leave them be?
like, if uncle jim was a fall down drunk that ran around on his wife, then someone introduced him to the wts, and it all stopped, would you still try and expose the cult even if they were actually helping and it was working?.
It's a very good question. My son was going off the rails in several ways before he became a witness. We his parents were trying to help and guide him but he wasn't listening. Then he got in with the witnesses and to be honest they did sort him out.
As black sheep says the same help would have been available elsewhere, but he chose this route.
He is now a much more resposable adult, but on the negative side he is going round people's doors telling them they will die if they don't change their ways. Also he does not have the ability to reason things out for himself, and of course he keeps his distance from the family because of the JW aversion to certain celebrations.
So there is good and bad. But to be fair, he did need something to help him, it's just a shame it had to be this religion.
i told my mom that i'm not going back to the meetings.
i wasn't planning on telling her that but i've been going through some hard times with my husband and just got fed up with her hounding me.
so she asked if i'll still consider going back to the meetings and i just flat out told her no and that it wasn't up for discussion.
Welcome to the world of the faders. Good descision to fade rather than disassociate. You probably feel you would really like to tell the WT to shove it, and disassociate yourself from them, but if you can fade it is so much better if you have family in the org. Make no mistake, however close family members are to you they and JW friends would totally reject you if you formally said you want nothing to do with them. So good for you. I wish you well.
i wanted all of you to know how much you have helped me in the few short weeks that i have been here.. i was starting to sink into a very deep and dangerous depression, wrestling with the lies that i have been taught all of my life, and feeling like i was evil because i did not want to follow anymore.
fearing that i was deeply offending god and hurting him.. since being on this site, the weight is starting to be lifted.
the thick veil of fog is slowly starting to clear, and i feel like i can live!
its_me. As I write this I must say I have tears in my eyes. I am so glad you are finally free. You're right this is a wonderful site for helping people get free from the WT.
I guess we will never know how many others are being helped, but I wish to add my own thanks to everybody as well for all the help and encouragement I have had, just by reading their comments. Thank you all.
the bossert was one of the several hotels that the jehovahs witnesses acquired and renovated during the 70s and 80s.
by 1984, when the witnesses purchased it, the building had been reduced to a sad condition by age and neglect.
the witnesses performed an excellent restoration, reproducing the mahogany windows and replacing 2,500 square feet of bottachino classico marble with stone from the original italian quarry.
kret. I think you are absolutely right. Ray Franz the ex governing body member who obviously new the gov. body members very well, did say that generally they do mean well.
Just go over the top with their organization worship.
They may not have swiss bank accounts, but they do have a good life.
They do have better apartments in Bethel than the boys. Also they regularly go all round the world and are able to mix business with pleasure.
So free board and lodging, nice car and regular holidays. Can't be bad.
i keep reading about it on this site, but i don't know what it is about, and i don't know where to look on the internet to find reasonably accurate information..
it's_me, trust me there are many, many of us that feel the same way. Personally I realized something was wrong and I was able to fade away
It was after the onset of the internet that I really found out what their history was.
If you want a good book to read try Crisis Of Conscaence by ex governing body member Ray Franz. It is very, very good an honest. Not bitter at all. You can download it as well which is great.
i was inspired to write this based on a post in another thread.. as a jw you are told to read and let the bible speak to you.. that would mean that you could reach a different conclusion on a certain scripture or account.
but that may not coincide with what the fds has as an explanation or conclusion.
this in turn, according to the standard makes you wrong if you "want" to be humble and wait for "new light.".
Although they prompte bible study, they say it needs to be done in conjunction with WT publications, not by itself or heaven forbid with worldly books
20so the one that had received five talents came forward and brought five additional talents, saying, master, you committed five talents to me; see, i gained five talents more.
i will appoint you over many things.
22next the one that had received the two talents came forward and said, master, you committed to me two talents; see, i gained two talents more.
In 1919 they had got practically everything wrong if you compare to what is said today. It is a ridiclous atatement they make, saying that Jesus inspected them and found they were doing so much better than other religions.
i think its probably too soon, but if anyone knows how many partakers of the emblems this year?.
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etna.
If there is increase in the attendance of a particular country, then that country will probably announce it in the highlights section of the Kingdom Ministry in a couple of months. Very unlikely they would report the partaker figures though, unless maybe it goes down
its a good question: how much of your religions actions do you have to disavow before you feel comfortable just walking away from the whole damn thing altogether?.
what aspects of your faith did you eschew before you finally stepped away from it for good?.
source: http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/04/06/if-you-dont-agree-with-that-are-you-still-religious/.
I think most people would say they could never completely agree with everything in their religion, which is why most witnesses stay in theirs hoping that things will be sorted out in the future.
Problem comes when you realize that actually most of what you believe is rubbish or lies, then it is time to move on.
