Posts by alanv

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My first encounter with JWs at my door in forever

by alpha_1 in

to cut to the chase:.

last week a woman came to my door and introduced herself.

i had been preparing for this for so long.

alanv

Welcome to the board Alpha 1. I applaud you taking this guy on but I do think you would have got different answers from a more mature witness.

There are many scriptures that call Jesus the son of God so that would cause no concern to them

The scripture says the father is greater than I am. That is exactly what witnesses believe. Jehovah the creator and is greater than his son

Your point on Jesse proves nothing. There are many sons who are greater than their father and vice versa

The Alpha and the Omege means the beginning and the end. A witness will tell you that Jesus was the beginning and end of all creation

The point on Apollyon is that these days the Watchtower teaches that this applies to Jesus, and the locusts are the 144000 spreading the kingdom message.

Although the scripture calls Jesus a might god the witnesses would say yes he is a mighty god but not the ALmighty God. After all you could call Satan a mighty god. He does have mighty power as does Jesus

Having said all that there are many ways to show the Watchtower is a false prophet and it is great you want to expose them.

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New videos 2009 Memorial demonstration

by the research lady in

more and more former jehovah's witnesses as well as christian groups, opposers, and cult exposers are speaking up concerning the dangers of the watchtower organization.

all it takes for jehovah's witnesses to see what the watchtower is hiding behind can be one small flaw in their doctrine, hear or read something critical of the watchtower org.

and they begin to examine more and they start looking for the exit door of the kingdom hall.

alanv

Excellent videos,

Rick is a real inspiration in helping us to see the many, many lies and double standards of the Watchtower.

More and more people are watching youtube videos. The witnesses have their own videos on there so it is very easy for them to see videos from ex witnesses which expose the borg for what they are.

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Dateline tv show

by homeschool in

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friends

i'd really like to watch that dateline show from a few years back....was it in 2002?

i guess its the one that jws were told not to watch the episode.

i cant find it anywhere!

alanv

Hi Homeschool, If you go to www.silentlambs.com website you will find a mountain of information including the dateline programme

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Protesting and Demonstrating at District Convention

by jabberwock in

has anyone who has attended a district convention this year seen any protestors or demonstrators?.

have you ever protested or demonstrated or maybe even handed out literature at a convention or assembly?

what happened?

alanv

To me it is the worst possable way to show objection to the Watchtower society. They tell their members they will be hated and persecuted , and look there is the evidence. They love it. Complete vindication that they are right.

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Apostasy ????

by KAYTEE in

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friends

apostasy, definition,.........to leave ones religion.. if apostasy is regarded as serious in the eyes of the borg.

and it is.. why was my wife, who, before coming a witness some 35 years ago, who was a roman catholic, was not treated then, as she would be treated now, if she (heaven forbid) were to rejoin the clan after having left for app.6years.. back then they did not put her at the back of the hall for a good year, before accepting her, even though she was in principal, apostate.. why the two standards.

kt.

alanv

As you say, two standards. What you have to remember when dealing with JWs is that unlike many other religions they say that only they have the real truth. Therefor it is right and proper that people leave the churches etc; but it is totally wrong to turn your back on the org as only that is God's true organisation. A few years ago they changed the baptismal questions so that now if you leave they can much more easily disfellowship you for apostasy against the org. I faded years ago so I did not give any pledge to be part of an org. But as I say that is different now. The benefit for them, is that if they can formally disfellowship you there is less chance of you helping someone else leave.

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Share: Where have you been shunned?

by mrsjones5 in

alanv

I was a witness for around 20 years and was able to fade. That didn't stop an old ''friend'' and neighbour trying to tatally ignore me at a get together my son had. I went up to her to say nice to see you etc. and the woman in a very snobbish way said ''I'm sorry Alan I can't talk to you. Go see the elders'' All my family heard it and couldn't believe her attitude. I simply said that is what happens if you dare disagree with the society.

My son is getting married in August at a kingdom hall and I have told him we don't want trouble makers there. So she is not invited. Hope she gets the point.

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How ZEALOUS a JW were you?

by BonaFide in

or maybe you are still a zealous jw.

i became a regular pioneer while i was still in high school.

i used to set my alarm for 5 am three times a week and walk a few blocks to do streetwork.

alanv

I too was very zealous. I was convinced the end would come before 1975, because that was what we were told. I was an apprentice printer at the time, so when the call went out for more pioneers that was what I did. My best friend and I gave up our jobs and began car washing at weekends for some pocket money. In time I was made a ministerial servant and carried out many jobs. I even recommended we send money to the society every month as they were was not doing it at the time. It was a very full life.

Then like many I began to realize I was living a lie. My friend and I are both out now plus many of our friends who were also pioneers.

It took a long time to make the break, and I now spend some of my time helping others to see the WT is a mind controlling cult.

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I was thinking of becoming a witness again

by isaacaustin in

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friends

until reniaa came along and proved to me that the wt can not possibly be of god and that there was no way that the gb was god's appointed channel of truth.. thank you reniaa...and for brushing me up on refuting jws on various topics..

alanv

Hi Isaac, that really is what this board is all about. Allowing people like yourself to see the other side of the story. The Watchtower is very selective what they tell us. On this board the members give their personal experiences of being in the Tower and very often speak of the devastation it has caused in their lives. Very glad you have made the decision to stay out.

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Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

by White Dove in

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090520/ap_on_re_us/us_forced_chemo.

this is just like jws refusing blood for their kids..

alanv

This is a truly awful situation. I am so with the judge on this one. Presumably the parents treatment has been proved not to work and this poor boy doesn't understand himself the seriousness of it.

As you quite rightly say this could happen within the JWs on blood issue or maybe something else. I really hope this judges ruling will be adopted in other areas as well. I really feel for this lad. Thanks for posting.

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Illegals not allowed positions of responsibility?

by ElderEtta in

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alanv

The bible very clearly says at Romans 13 that christians are to be in subjection to the superier authorities because they have been placed their by God. If the elders know that this is an illegal immigrant then it is their duty scriptually to inform the authorities. If then nothing happens then fine he could be appointed but if he is expelled from the country the elder at least know they have done the right thing informing the powers that be.