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  Recent JW news report from the media, which is controlled by Satan...

  by cedars in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2upjotkjojw.

  i should add that, even though the media is under satan's control, the governing body may use it at their discretion as-and-when they wish.. .

  (bearing witness, page 110).

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  alanv

  Is interesting how the report quotes the "organizers" as claiming that the "church population" grew "by 3 to 4% this year", even though (1) the figures for this year (2012) have yet to be released, and (2) the figures for LAST year show growth in America of 3%, which was rounded up from an actual figure of 2.68% - hardly "3 to 4%". Maybe we can put this exaggeration down to "theocratic warfare".

  If I remember rightly the society added and included the total publishers from Hawaii in last years USA increase. This was not an increase, as those publishers had been around for years. So the actual USA average publishers in fact worked out at 1.9%
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  Heading soccer balls, wearing designer clothes, and driving hybrid vehicles - all condemned in the latest Awake

  by cedars in

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  for those who are interested, the november 2012 awake!

  is now available for download online.. among items of possible interest are some of the latest examples of fear-mongering "armageddon art" on pages 12 and 14.... .

  speaking of armageddon, you will be sad to hear that the criteria for surviving the great day of god's wrath just got a little more stringent.. there are a number of extra things in this month's awake!

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  alanv

  Here in the uk where we play cricket, all pro's where a helmet. When you have a hard ball coming at you at 90 mph it really is necessary to where a helmet.
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  changes in NWT

  by wallsofjericho in

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  hey all,.

  i saw a discussion on yahoo answers about changes in the nwt.

  i watchtower apologist posted a long list of commendations made regarding the nwt.. i thought we could have some fun picking this apart.. one in particular was a comment made by rolf furuli.

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  alanv

  OK I will kick off. Take a look at this video to see what some emminent scholers actually say about the NWT, including Dr Bruce Metzger mentioned above

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d_VuNJGbKs
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  2012 Forms and documents sent recently!

  by Atlantis in

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  http://uploadnow.org/share/340866-50001.jpeg.pg.2.

  http://uploadnow.org/share/340867-60001.jpeg.pg.3.

  http://uploadnow.org/share/340868-70001.jpeg.pg.4.

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  alanv

  I love the way the society said that the answers to the school questions need to be 'In harmony with our present understanding'

  In other words it could change tomorrow, but today this is the answer. lol
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  Slow fade vs instant fade

  by tenene in

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  i guess i'll never find out what it is like to fade slowly since i chose the instant route.. just wondering which one is easier, emotionally.. .

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  alanv

  I am sure the instant fade is better if you can deal with all your 'friends' trying to find out why you have stopped attending etc. If you can deal with that without slagging off the organisation you will get away with it. However it is very hard not to say something to someone about your true feelings.

  I took the slow route as I know if I confronted the elders or others I would not be able to stop myself telling them exactly why I left and all the things I now disagree with. My son is still in and I need and want to have a normnal relationship with him.
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  Read 1975 postings above: same feeling about 1988 - 1989

  by Gorbatchov in

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  i read the postings about 1975 and have the same feeling about the 1988 - 1989 period, the time of my baptism.

  i remember the convention that year with the release of the revelation book.

  with the assisi religion leaders call for peace and unity, and the events in the ussr and the release of the revelation book, i was thinking the end was very near and it would be a miracle that we could reach 1990.. so i was full of spirit, just becoming a ms and a pioneer.

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  alanv

  Hi Gorby, I was around in 1975 so got totally caught up with the end is imminent feeling. I too was a pioneer and a mini servant. Strangly the Revelation book was really the beginning of my doubts about the org. You may remeber they have a go at everybody in the 7 bowles of God's wrath I believe. And when they started saying about certain assemblies being a fulfillment of bible prophesies regarding certain years, I new it was time to get out of this mad religion. Best thing I ever did!
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  New YouTube video: Candace Conti tells her story

  by cedars in

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  2. child-abuse

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfhsewwd3wa.

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  alanv

  I had not realized that she never got baptised. That is great news as she cannot be disfellowshipped, although I am sure witnesses would be told to shun her and to avoid looking at videos about her or with her in them.
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  I wonder... Who are the top apostates the Watchtower HATES the most?

  by Greybeard in

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  no doubt ray franz is at the top.... paul grundy's web site jwfacts.com helped me the most!

  thanks paul!!!.

  randall watters from freeminds.org has got to be way up there.... who else?

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  alanv

  The point is well made that whenever we speak against the society we need to use their own publications and their own words. I try to do that always. That way you cannot be accused of lying or that it is 'just your own view'

  There are articles on everything out there and with a little research we can use the societies own words to expose them for what they are.
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  New YouTube video: Candace Conti tells her story

  by cedars in

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  2. child-abuse

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfhsewwd3wa.

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  alanv

  Thanks for posting. It was great to see the face behind the case. She seems like a great girl. I notice it says part 1, so I am assuming there is more, maybe the question and answer session that probably followed her talk.
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  the end of the satanic Watchtower is near

  by cedric1er in

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  alanv

  Just had a look at the English version and yes the claw is there.

  I have seen some of these weird pictures before, but certainly that is a claw not a hand. I would love to know what current JWs make of it.