Posts by whyizit

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Putting together info on proof of 607 vs. 586......

by lavendar in

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the wts has erroneously set the fall of jerusalem in the year 607. i'm trying to put together information, for our son, proving that this date is false.

i've decided when our son brings up the subject of his involvement in the wts, i will then show him this information.

i feel this particular subject is the wisest to go with.

whyizit

JWs are programmed to teach. Not to be taught.

What you should do, is ask him to prove to you that the fall of Jerusalem occurred in 607, WITHOUT using WTS literature.

This is how I approached the subject.

The fall of Jerusalem happened. Every one agrees on that.

Ask your son: WWII happened when it happened, right? You could live anywhere and it still happened when it happened. You could be a Baptist, Catholic, JW, Athiest, and WWII still occurred on the date it occurred, right? It is a matter of fact, not speculation, right?

Could you please find some solid references from historical scholars outside of the WTS that support the fall of Jerusalem occurring in 607? (PLease do not give me literature from the WTS, because that is like saying, "It happened because we say so.") This is a matter of historical fact, so it should be proveable. HOw did the WTS arrive at this date?

Then do the backward count of the 5 kings who ruled and show him how you are arriving at 587.

PM me, if you need that info. I have it. It made BIG waves with my JW friend.

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What has Worked for You When Trying to Reason with Witness Relatives?

by flipper in

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friends

hello folks.

a loaded question for sure.

after being out of the org.

whyizit

Your question is the very reason I came to this forum. I wanted to find out how to effectively speak to my JW friend, without being viewed as an opposer or an apostate.

Taking the position of a student has helped. NEVER saying anything negative about the WTS has been helpful too. I mention things "other" religious orgs. do that are extremely similar, which lets my friend make the connection.

If you have never read Don Cameron's book Captives of a Concept, you should! I was able to ask about WTS history, which opened up LOTS of good questions! Especially when SHE sent me the 5th Chapter of the Proclaimer's book!

If you could play like you are Columbo, and ask the right questions in a very non-combative way, you could open your daughter's minds very effectively. Even if they don't show it at first. There's no way to unring that bell, once it has been rung.

(Thanks to AK-Jeff for that one!) It also helps to have people here that are supportive and know that "how you say it", is as important as "what is said".

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What is the JW's take on pets?

by Dragonlady76 in

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i have always loved animals and have had pets through out the years, so that got me thinking about my jw childhood, not to many dubs had pets, i remember only a small handful of dubs that had a dog.

i wondered if there is a jw realted reason for this, so far the only thing that i can think of is that a pet "would take up valuable time that could be better spent on field service" .

any one have some information on this?.

whyizit

Once when the JW couple who was coming to "study" with us started in on beliefs and customs that are displeasing to God, Mrs. JW was going on and on about how we should never have anything to do with things that could in anyway be related to paganism. It was around Easter, so she was using the rabbits and eggs scenario. (And let's not forget that ever manacing "Christmas tree"!)

I asked her if JWs have pets.

Do they own cats?

Hmmm.... I seem to recall there are pagan religions that view cats as gods. If you are to stay away from everything associated with paganism, why do JWs keep cats for pets?

They are God's creatures! He made them.

Did God not also make eggs? Rabbits? Trees?

I never really got a good explanation, but I could see the wheels starting to turn a little in her eyes. She actually broke down in tears when our beagle died, but remained as dry-eyed as a desert when I told her about my Aunt passing away.

That's "WTS love" for you, I suppose!

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Give me your best JW door to door presentation

by JH in

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make it short and convince me that you have the right religion

whyizit

Hello, we are Jehovah's Witlesses and we are here to take control of every aspect of your life. You will have to stop doing everything that is part of normal human life and spend all your time and money screeching around doing this door to door work with us. And, if you break one of our millions of rules, you will be cut off from any family members that you are supposed to be bringing into this cult.

Could someone print this up on postcards and send them out to people that you know are studying with the JWs? This is the closest thing to a truthful "statement of faith" I have ever come across!

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Question for diabetics---Need a recipe:

by whyizit in

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my husband's friend at work is a diabetic and is leaving to go to a new job.

my husband promised i would make him a couple of fresh blackberry pies from our own fresh picked blackberries, but they have to be made without sugar!.

my typical way of pie baking is the lazy woman's way.

whyizit

My husband's friend at work is a diabetic and is leaving to go to a new job. My husband promised I would make him a couple of fresh blackberry pies from our own fresh picked blackberries, but they have to be made without sugar!

My typical way of pie baking is the lazy woman's way. Take two store bought pie crusts, layer berries and sugar/flour mixture, top with another store bought crust, and pop in the oven.

Do I do the same thing, but use Splenda rather than sugar? How much do I use? Haven't found a recipe online for simple blackberry pie, so I thought maybe someone here could advise me.

Thanks for your help. I've been here so long, I love to come to you guys first when I have questions about almost anything, even recipes. :0)

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Looking for recipe- Spinach/Artichoke Dip (Like Lone Star SteakHouse)

by whyizit in

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does anyone have a good copy-cat recipe that is similar to lone star steak house's spinach -artichoke dip?

would love to make some this weekend!.

whyizit

Thanks everybody!

I'm going to give it a go this weekend and try to find the one that is the closest. My whole family just loves that stuff!

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How to get the News out to Witnesses About their Child Molestation Coverup?

by flipper in

hello all.i just want to welcome any suggestions you might have to keep getting the molestation coverup and settlements in the forefront of the witnesses minds.

as you know i talked with an elder and his wife who came to my door for 30 minutes about it.

also mrs. flipper and i have left upwards of 200 news release fliers on witness cars parked at kingdom halls.

whyizit

If anyone would like for me to mail the info. anonymously to a friend or loved one, from my area, I will! Just PM me.

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Looking for recipe- Spinach/Artichoke Dip (Like Lone Star SteakHouse)

by whyizit in

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friends

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does anyone have a good copy-cat recipe that is similar to lone star steak house's spinach -artichoke dip?

would love to make some this weekend!.

whyizit

Does anyone have a good copy-cat recipe that is similar to Lone Star Steak House's Spinach -Artichoke Dip?

Would love to make some this weekend!

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Intercepting JW's on the 4th of July! Oh what fun!

by HadEnuf in

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i must tell you an interesting story from today.

gary and i went thru a drive-thru for breakfast and were sitting at our local park (in the car) enjoying our high fat, high cholesterol breakfast when, low and behold, here comes a group of jw's sloooooowly checking out the area.

(this is right by the river on the green circle trail, which is a favorite place for joggers, walkers, bikers, etc.

whyizit

GOOD FOR YOU!

It seems that you were able to "educate" a few interested bystanders, along with the fisherman, about the under-belly of the WTS! I would have given anything for my JW friend to have heard both sides of the coin, BEFORE she became too involved to listen to someone who has been burned by the organization.

You did a great thing. By the way, most fishermen I know love good stories to tell. This will be a good one he can tell his buddies and then they will have a heads-up on the WTS too!

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Another J W e mail

by NikL in

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i noticed another thread on this site relaying a stupid e mail making the rounds of dubdom.. well i just got this one and i thought i would share.... powerful illustration.

after the prayer, the local elder slowly stood up, walked up to the.

platform and, before he gave his public talk, he briefly introduced a guest.

whyizit

Maybe some one already posted what I am about to point out.

I remember a pastor reading this story in a church I attended. He gave the actual names of the people involved, etc... Funny thing is, it was NOT a Jehovah's Witness story. It was a regular old Christian. This guy must have read or listened to the Chistioan version and decided to adapt it to his own religion. (Is that allowed?!)

The JW gurus who tried to indoctrinate me also twisted a few stories like this. I'm quite sure they were telling them just as they were told, but they weren't privy to searching the net, so they didn't know the stories had been out for awhile, how to find out where they originated, and whether they were true or not (or if they were actually about the JWs).