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  You Know: Three Possibilities

  by NeonMadman in

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  after jousting a bit on these forums with perennial poster you know, i have wondered about his status with the jw organization.

  he claims to be a jw, and he claims that his elders, circuit overseer, and even the society are well aware of his activities here on the net.

  notice the following remarks he has made:.

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  Cygnus

  I have 'known' YK for 4 1/2 years. I believe every word he says about himself. He's very intelligent, and very sharp. Just deluded.
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  Cath. Encyclopedia agrees with WT re 607

  by Cygnus in

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  under the heading "babylonia".

  at first nabuchodonosor ii began a small guerilla warfare against jerusalem; then, in 607 b.c., he dispatched a considerable army, and after a while began the siege in person.. can any apostate tell me what's wrong with this quote?

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  Cygnus

  Under the heading "Babylonia"

  At first Nabuchodonosor II began a small guerilla warfare against Jerusalem; then, in 607 B.C., he dispatched a considerable army, and after a while began the siege in person.

  Can any apostate tell me what's wrong with this quote?
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  Let's have some honest answers

  by chappy in

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  ok all you ex's, be honest.

  do you ever have that little voice pop in your head and say "what if - just what if they're right?".

  it happens to me on occasion and i've been totally out for years.

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  Well, when I first recognized serious errors in some JW beliefs and policies, I thought that the organization could be reformed. I gave up on that after a few months. Then when I quit JWs and tried to be a regular ol' Christian believer, I couldn't accept the eternal conscious punishment of the soul teaching, but I did occasionally have that nagging "what if the FUNDIES are right?" every now and then. Anyone else have that experience?
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  WTS Leaders - Mass Killers

  by Lee Elder in

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  the great and widely unrecognized killer of jehovah's witnesses is without.

  question the watchtower society's irrational policy on the use of blood.. there are enough studies and information available for us to conservatively.

  estimate 900 deaths among the jw population each year - the actual.

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  Pork,

  Here's a site that briefly discusses the JW mortality rate due to intraoperative anemia and blood loss based upon a study conducted from 1983 to 1990.

  http://www.medana.unibas.ch/eng/educ/blood.htm

  That study is significant because it is cited in the 10/15/93 Watchtower, where a Dr. Kitchens is quoted from an article he authored stating the JW mortality rate appears to increase by .5% to 1.5% for refusing blood/red cells. The doctor cautions against the liberal use of blood in his article, however, saying the risks of blood transfusion may outweigh the benefits (although no specific numbers or estimates are given in the WT article).

  I forget the exact calculations, but either Dave Reed or Lee Elder once figured that if you take that study average, 1% greater mortality rate, that means that for every hundred patients that require blood, an extra one dies. In the USA, 26 million units of blood are transfused in an average year. In the UK, it is about 2 million units. Canada, about 1 million. Figure 35 million where most Witnesses live and get surgery. Calculating the number of persons transfused based upon a number of units each, and figuring that an extra 1/100 does not survive due to anemia or low hemocrit levels, then some have guesstimated that over 1,000 JWs per year die. Some say that this figure might even be higher, since the above study only refers to anemic patients in a controlled setting with low hemocrit levels. It does not refer to trauma situations, or the various other uses of blood which JWs are to abstain from which results in or contributes to either sickness or death.

  My own opinion is that the numbers of JWs having died to the blood policy over the years was probably rather significant twenty years ago, but not today. The WTS has done a good job educating doctors as to their wishes, and the internet alone is full of critical sites saying how overrated and even unnecessary most blood transfusions are today. I would say that maybe perhaps 100 Witnesses die each year. I simply don't see that many news reports of Witnesses dying from lack of blood, and one would think that if the figure were in the 1000s, we would see it all the time. You know Kent would advertise them. In my local area, I only know of one person who died from refusing blood, in 1990, a JW woman who bled to death during childbirth.
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  What Satanic Rituals???

  by Nathan Natas in

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  in a recent post metatron and judith mentioned in passing that dubs they knew had been involved in satanic rituals.

  forgive my morbid curiousity, but exactly what sorts of rituals were these?.

  bear in mind that as dubs we were told that the rituals of the roman catholic church were satanic, that smurfs were satanic, that rock'n'roll was satanic, etc., etc.

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  Cygnus

  There was a fellow posting on H2O as "Ken" who was DF'd for reporting a CO who he allegedly observed practicing satanic rituals. He is occasionally in the Yahoo JW chat room as "johnthesouthernbaptist" or something similar.
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  Do you remember this Bible passage?

  by Mindchild in

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  i barely remember a bible account that went something along these lines: some representative of god was trying to show the israelites that jehovah was the real god and challenged them to build a big sacrifice and have their god answer and consume it with fire.

  when they couldn't, he began to mock them and as the story goes he prays to god and half the mountain dissappears or something like that.. sorry i couldn't be more precise but it has been a long time.

  if you remember the bible chapter and verses, i would like to read it again.. skipper.

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  I remember it well. In 1994, I was assigned to play a role in that year's DC drama. I was the young lad who was persuaded by this Yahwist massacre story to quit college and get baptized ASAP. I have some pictures of me on stage taken by some of the friends right here on my desk. Maybe some day I will scan them for y'all.
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  You Wouldn't See This Today In The Cong.

  by Undecided in

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  i've been looking through some old pictures and i came up with this one.. .

  could you imagine what the elders would say if someone with an army uniform went preaching door to door today?

  notice the phonograph player and the book bag.

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  Ken P.,

  I usually dislike it when other posters do this (I said so myself just not 45 minutes ago), but I have to say that I enjoy your posts very much, especially these flashes back in time. I haven't had much to say to you over the years but let me say now that I _always_ click on your threads and have never been disappointed by the content therein.
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  What happens when you die????

  by kevin221 in

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  question to throw out to anyone who cares to answer.. what do jw's believe happens when they die.

  jon always told me that when life was over, that was it, no heaven no hell just nothingness.. is that what jw's really believe?

  he didn't like to talk about it with me because he thought it would upset me.. thanks for any input,.

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  Rex,

  Do you really want me to post CT Russel's rebuttal to your text? After all, he's got as much biblical support for conditional immortality as you have for your position.

  Cygnus, who remembers when Rex aka WW posted a thread "Oh no!!!" when someone tried to teach him the biblical support for an immortal soul
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  Michael Jackson comments in TV Guide

  by Dogpatch in

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  michael jackson still claims to be a jw.

  http://www.freeminds.org/african/african.htm.

  randy

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  Cygnus

  Just checked the TV Guide site. Randy's clip is spot on -- Mike did say those words. For once Randy is right, since we all know that the vast majority of his site is full of apostate lies.
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  Good News - Alternative Energies

  by Amazing in

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  good news alternative energy .

  while on the subject, we could already start to reduce and eventually eliminate oil, at least to the point where we would only need to use our own resources and may buy oil from mexico and russia.. solar: while seemingly forgotten, this is still a growing industry.

  solar assist panels for homes are still selling.

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  Cygnus

  Amazing,

  Modern wood-fueled appliances near the 80-90% effiency range these days. The Hearth Products Association has been in a feud with EPA for years regarding the reliability and effiency of modern hearth products with regards to emissions and air-pollution. The fact is that burning wood with efficient units is essentially the same as allowing dead wood to decompose in its natural environment (releasing CO2 into the atmosphere). Some states, such as Oregon and Minnesota, have outlawed open-hearth fireplaces -- with good reason! But there are available many hearth products that greatly minimize air pollution and actually serve as a benefit for the environment.

  Wood fuel is our only real renewable resource. The days of grandpa choking down his old steel laundry stove and making all his neighbors choke on wood smoke is (nearly!) over.