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Reform....why?

by Deacon in

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the organization cannot be reformed from outside; that can only come from individuals who have the guts and will to do so inside, and the determination to get rid of hardline thinking that is so strangling.

my personal desire is to see immediate change regarding the child abuse policy, and that will come.

to see a clear, quick change in the horribly inconsistent blood policy rather than drag it out over years; kids are dying in the process.enforced shunning is also an evil that they will have to deal with eventually; it's ripping them apart.. .

Deacon

Some deep reasonings here.

I guess the overwhelming feeling coming through, is the need for the WTBTS to recognise that the methodology in dealing with its members, is not conducive to an interchange of honest worship or freedom of expression of heart.

With regard to the shunning doctrine, the principle of expulsion from any organisation for not adhering to its rules is legally and morally correct, and to be fair, I dont have a problem with it. However, the stated reason for expulsion,the only reason for expulsion is unrepentance, ie, not ceasing an action or course of conduct, and not willing to change....is not adhered to. Persons are actually expelled for fornication, for stealing for lying etc...which is contrary to the scripturally stated procedure. Along with this, is the then enforced practice of shunning, and it is taken to ridiculous lengths, it destroys relationships, puts everything on a basis of conditional love, and is unscriptural.

Then we have the blood tranfusion issue.
Then the neutrality issue.
Then.......

But the question is...do we have anything to reform?
Are the basic tenets, doctrinal understanding, channelling from God really there within the WTBTS?

If it is, then do have to just wait for Jehovah to rectify it..

And if it isnt..what is to stop us, members of this board who still believe in a creator, starting our own congregation and interchanging spiritual nuggets without interpretation or condemnation?

Im just saddened to know that in the event that this did happen, some people who know that they have the true message, will try and hijack it for their own ends....

Maybe we really are on our own.

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Reform....why?

by Deacon in

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friends

the organization cannot be reformed from outside; that can only come from individuals who have the guts and will to do so inside, and the determination to get rid of hardline thinking that is so strangling.

my personal desire is to see immediate change regarding the child abuse policy, and that will come.

to see a clear, quick change in the horribly inconsistent blood policy rather than drag it out over years; kids are dying in the process.enforced shunning is also an evil that they will have to deal with eventually; it's ripping them apart.. .

Deacon

Further questions..

If Jehovah really did/does use the FDS, are they listening?

Is it a test for us?

Are they the great apostacy of prophecy?

Are they the disgusting thing in a Holy place?

Are we lacking in faith?

It just goes round and round doesnt it?

Is The tribulation really going to happen?

sheesh...!!

er...

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Reform....why?

by Deacon in

jw
friends

the organization cannot be reformed from outside; that can only come from individuals who have the guts and will to do so inside, and the determination to get rid of hardline thinking that is so strangling.

my personal desire is to see immediate change regarding the child abuse policy, and that will come.

to see a clear, quick change in the horribly inconsistent blood policy rather than drag it out over years; kids are dying in the process.enforced shunning is also an evil that they will have to deal with eventually; it's ripping them apart.. .

Deacon

The organization cannot be reformed from outside; that can only come from individuals who have the guts and will to do so INSIDE, and the determination to get rid of hardline thinking that is so strangling. My personal desire is to see immediate change regarding the child abuse policy, and that will come. To see a clear, quick change in the horribly inconsistent blood policy rather than drag it out over years; kids are dying in the process.Enforced shunning is also an evil that they will have to deal with eventually; it's ripping them apart.

Okay. This is not for the those who have found that they no longer see any need to believe in a God. This is for the likes of people like me who currently are lost, rudderless and feeling the way around the gaping hole that has opened when the truth is no longer proved to be the truth.

Maximus, I did not ask your permission for quoting your words, yet I feel in this context you will not mind, however if you do I apologise and will remove your quote.

Reform or not to reform. To reform would indicate that the basic tenets of the organisation is correct, but either the application is wrong, or the doctrinal issues have changed. To reform would indicate that those wishing to pursue that path, feel that Jehovah God is or was behind the organisation.

I guess, that in posing this question, Im doing a lot of self searching. Either we as individuals were self deluded in the message we heard, or conned by smooth men, or....perhaps we believe the message but the vessel used to deliver it has corrupted or maybe even lost Gods Holy Spirit.

Or maybe as my my dear friend 6 of 9 puts it, its all a crock.

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Anybody else had visions?

by philo in

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when i was separating from my wife and leaving the jws, i had some visions.

for some strange reason, i decided not to eat for a day, then when i found my thinking clearer and my emotions mellower, i fasted for another two days.

so after the third day, i was walking down our street and i saw the houses burning after me, i felt this was an affirmation that marriage was decay and destruction, or wasteage.

Deacon

I dont know about visions. I work in the medical field. Time and time again, when examining patients, especially those with misplaced vertabrae or dislocations, I can feel where the problem is, and by placing my hands in the correct place, but not touching the skin...it generates tremendous heat and rectifies the mispacement. My medical colleagues have witnessed this many times and we all wonder.
Yes, I did 10 years medical training..no I cant explain it...and yes many other things like this happen..
weird.

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more Separated at Birth . . .

by Tallyman in

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two charismatic cult leaders with throngs of devotees.... - s e p a r a t e d - a t - b i r t h ?

and evidently both held similar doctrinal beliefs,.

especially in the area of how little children should be treated=.

Deacon

um......

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Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy!

by Englishman in

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actually, what i should have said was: "excuse me while i kiss the sky" so my apologies to all jimmy h fans.. 'course there's always "the ants are my friends, are blowin' in the wind", or even "the dawning of the age of malaria" for us slightly middle-aged types.. how many misheard lyrics did you ever sing?.

for more inspiration click http://www.kissthisguy.com/.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

Deacon

My slightly deaf eccentric old dad would sing..dont cry for me Arthur Negus instead of Dont cry for me Argentina...go figure

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Seperated at birth?

by SlayerLayer in

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after having so much fun with englishman and the wol administrator, i decided to have some more fun with other well known posters.. .

kent and meatloaf?.

norm and law and order's george dzundza?.

Deacon

er...

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It comes down too....

by Deacon in

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for those who make a choice, decision or reality to leave off being a member of the jehovahs witnesses, it comes down to, either ceasing to believe in god as the creator, or....choosing to let him examine your heart and see that the direction that was taken, was done in total honesty and in total agony because of the choice made.. and i guess that is all we can ask of ourselves as humans, that we make all decisions from knowledge and from reason and from inner conviction.

god will surely take that into consideration,,,because we are made in his image, and therefore ...... so for mrmoe, for others struggling with the ramifications of seperating from the organisation, just follow what is in your heart and gain all the information you can to make your own life decision...and then live it.

Deacon

I did not wake up one morning and say "I want to be an atheist." I did wake up one morning, realizing, "Hey. I actually am an atheist."

Now THAT is an honest evaluation....and true to ones self!

and a valid point Jan.

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It comes down too....

by Deacon in

jw
friends

for those who make a choice, decision or reality to leave off being a member of the jehovahs witnesses, it comes down to, either ceasing to believe in god as the creator, or....choosing to let him examine your heart and see that the direction that was taken, was done in total honesty and in total agony because of the choice made.. and i guess that is all we can ask of ourselves as humans, that we make all decisions from knowledge and from reason and from inner conviction.

god will surely take that into consideration,,,because we are made in his image, and therefore ...... so for mrmoe, for others struggling with the ramifications of seperating from the organisation, just follow what is in your heart and gain all the information you can to make your own life decision...and then live it.

Deacon

JanH

LOL

I had a classroom of students with the same logical mindset as yourself....it was "painful' at times

When something is proved.... then we make a choice to accept it..

Witnesses, dont choose to accept it....even in the face of proof...

ergo, its a choice.

addition:
its the postulation of a premise concept.. Propose an outcome, work along a series of paths to reach the outcome. As things change, and other outcomes become possible, or even dismiss the original theory postulated....it doesnt take away the persons "belief" that his theory is right, even in the face of evidence to the contrary..its a choice.

oh well, you get my drift

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It comes down too....

by Deacon in

jw
friends

for those who make a choice, decision or reality to leave off being a member of the jehovahs witnesses, it comes down to, either ceasing to believe in god as the creator, or....choosing to let him examine your heart and see that the direction that was taken, was done in total honesty and in total agony because of the choice made.. and i guess that is all we can ask of ourselves as humans, that we make all decisions from knowledge and from reason and from inner conviction.

god will surely take that into consideration,,,because we are made in his image, and therefore ...... so for mrmoe, for others struggling with the ramifications of seperating from the organisation, just follow what is in your heart and gain all the information you can to make your own life decision...and then live it.

Deacon

in yer box right now...