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  Happy 4th!

  by Valis in

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  well i'm off to south texas to see my chillerins for the 4th of july weekend.

  hope you all have a good 4th and all our uk friends out there take amoment to reflect on the whoopin you got at the hands of bunch of rabble rousing colonialists.... sincerely,.

  distirct overbeer

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  I like to call it The-Day-My-Old-Team-Came-In-Second Day, but have a happy one all the same.
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  Would You Have Ever Let Your Child Die & Refuse A Blood Transfusion?

  by minimus in

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  i'm sure that i would've, believing that jehovah god would be proud of me.

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  Nope. That's one of the few things that I had made up my mind on, about 1994. I had told my wife that if the kids needed a transfusion they would get it. I couldn't work out what blood products were okay and what weren't so as far as I was concerned it was between me and Jah've the Volcano God. The mistake I made was to not tell the kids this until we left. My son (the one who thought we had left a minimum security cult whe asked if he minded not going to meetings) said Thank God for that!!! I wish I had told him earlier.
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  Millions now living will never die - regular Wt quote, book 1920

  by Deleted in

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  evenin' all.

  does anyone have a good feel for when was the last time the borg used "millions now living will never die" in a study article and quoted a date (if my memory serves me it was a talk from 1918, forever quoted as a "look!

  we nearly got one right refereence").

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  Nice pieces, Blondie and Lehaa! Thanks very much. I thought they would have dropped it after that generation thang. An important detail for my tale, thank you both! Glen
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  Millions now living will never die - regular Wt quote, book 1920

  by Deleted in

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  evenin' all.

  does anyone have a good feel for when was the last time the borg used "millions now living will never die" in a study article and quoted a date (if my memory serves me it was a talk from 1918, forever quoted as a "look!

  we nearly got one right refereence").

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  Evenin' all. Does anyone have a good feel for when was the last time the BOrg used "millions now living will never die" in a study article and quoted a date (if my memory serves me it was a talk from 1918, forever quoted as a "look! we nearly got one right refereence"). I ask because I am writing "the book". Mine is intended to be black humor. In short the Ancient Worthies (the faithful listed in Hebrews 11) arrive in 2005 and not 1925 as (non)prophisied by Rutherford. My BOrg is called the North Atlantic Bible Society (NABS). It's coming along ... Glen The quote that recorded the arrival date "about April 1, 1925". I tried to include it but it wouldn't copy over, here's the site, it's section 8, find "ancient worthies" - Sorry!!! http://donaldk0.tripod.com/millions/

  (1920 edition of Millions Now Living Will Never Die) Thanks!!!
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  If life begins a 40, then I just had my 10th birthday!

  by Deleted in

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  thanks, odrade, for turning up to my soiree last night, jill and i were really glad to see you!

  it was over around 1am - the music did get better as the night went on, beer is a great social lubricant.

  glen .

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  Thanks, Odrade, for turning up to my soiree last night, Jill and I were really glad to see you! It was over around 1am - the music DID get better as the night went on, beer is a great social lubricant. Glen

  Anyway, here's a short list of what I know at 50, and with just a few BOrg implants remaining; than when I was 27, when I signed up for being an unpaid salesman for a closely-held relgious publishing empire (aka when I got baptized by O's Dad)

  1. I know a bit about Jung's term "Synchronicty" (unexplained coincidences) now; I didn't then. When things went pro-JW when I was studying it was "Jehovah's direction", and when they went against it was "Satan's deception". Now I know that both are just like the new car syndrome, when you buy such-and-such a model you see them all over the place. It's just life, not some monumental drama that you think you are part of.

  2. It is downright awful to put JW-pressure on your kids when they are schoolchildren, it's just not fair. When we left 5+ years ago I told our son that I had told his mother years before that if he or his sister needed a blood transfussion they would have got one, no matter what. He deeply sighed and said, Thank God for that! I never knew how he felt about it when we were BOrg, I was sickened by how he must have felt all those years.

  3. Take care of your teeth. And don't get in any car wrecks that bugger-up your back, neck, knees etc. The pain stays with you always.

  4. There are no simplistic answers to complex universal questions. There's methphors and parables not absolutes - like the FD&S, it's just a parable not a license to rule 12 million people worldwide according to the truth-of-the-day.

  5. There is no such thing as Present or Current Truth, or New Light. It's either true or false, the Bible never changes. Take the 1500 errors in The Finished Mystery book of 1917. Total rubbish, and yet Jesus approved it? BS! (aka Bollocks!)

  6. Societies that ostracize and consider former members as "dead" are evil. Actually anyone whose aim is to control another is evil.

  7. Relationships with worldly people are generally good. It's a case of getting out what you put in. You trust and peole trust you. Be practical there's a lot of very fine people around. The folks at work were wonderful as we were leaving, and they were very tolerant (more than I would have been) when we were still in the collective.

  8. Often there's something at the back of your mind (perhaps the realm of your inner self) that's inviolable. Here's an example of mine. When we were studying the topic of 1975 and the date of Armageddon came up and how close it had to be: I remember thinking, Well if it's not here by 2000 then I'll do something else. It wasn't, we had left by 1998.

  9. Although I don't really understand why, I once was a devout JW. I would never have spoken to apostates or read apostate literature, yet here I am. I always try to remember I was that way. I try to not get upset by what I now consider rantings of a contol-oriented culture.

  10. I wish I had left more slowly. Although my family left in tact, and is still in tact - we were the black sheep of our resepctive families by becoming JWs - I wish I hadn't been so vitriolic in my conclusions as I was leaving. The only local elder (a lovely "annointed" man, perhaps a true Christian by any count) was the last to talk to me. At one point in the visit (aside from mentioning he had helped 60 into the "truth" and he couldn't leave) he said that an old brother back at Bethel had told him that "the brothers wouldn't be able to handle the truths yet to be told". I wish I hadn't told our friend that he was damned right, Ray Franz had nailed it 20 odd years ago and the details were in Crisis of Conscience.

  Peace, Love and Understanding everyone!

  Glen, who once was Deleted

  PS O, if you have any children we would be honored to be their grandparents and take them to the Zoo :-)
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  I attended the 2004 Walk With God District Convention

  by Elsewhere in

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  note: i was lazy and did not spell check this because it's getting late and i'm tired......

  gawd... i forgot just how mind numbing those things are.

  you all owe me!!!

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  Hey, thanks. I think I would prefer to walk round Portland with a nail in my shoe. I did think page 5 of the program summed up my views these days.
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  Deleted's Top 5 #5 "Advice for the newly disenfranchised"

  by Deleted in

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  1. until you can get out (especially those with dub-families) lead a double life.

  i don't mean be a hypocrit, just smile a lot and dodge everything 2. get your education and career going, read read read 3. develop friendships with worldly people - they are really good folks, not a bit as we were lead to believe 4. try not to get upset at dubs, they don't know what they are doing or saying.

  5. stay with a self-help program like this board, the xjw meet-up etc.

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  1. Until you can get out (especially those with dub-families) lead a double life. I don't mean be a hypocrit, just smile a lot and dodge everything 2. Get your education and career going, read read read 3. Develop friendships with worldly people - they are really good folks, not a bit as we were lead to believe 4. Try not to get upset at dubs, they don't know what they are doing or saying. 5. Stay with a self-help program like this Board, the XJW meet-up etc. as long as you like, you don't need to graduate to something else. It's ok.
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  OMG! The Baptists!

  by Ghosthunter in

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  last night, around 6:00, a couple of well-dressed young men knocked at my door.

  i didn't think they were jw's, as they weren't carrying bookbags and they didn't have the "stepford jw" look.

  but, i made my hub answer the door anyway.

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  Baptists birthed Adventists who in turn birthed Jehovists - contraception anyone?
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  Which books.......

  by Lehaa in

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  which books helped you when you first left the jw organisation?.

  and if in australia, where can i get them?.

  also what exactly does "the borg" mean?

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  Ray Franz' Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom (definitive works on what went on at the WTS) Karen Armstrong's History of God (good background information on Jahve the volcano god) Elaine Pagel's Origin of Satan (good background information on the environment 1st century christianity came from) WTS' The Finished Mystery (1917, off the web - 1500 embarassing "errors") M Scott Peck's The Road Less Travelled (new age christianity) Freeminds.org (great history lessons)
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  Russell among his peers, comforting?

  by Deleted in

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  http://www.wcg.org/lit/prophecy/anglo/howanglo.htm

  i sometimes think i study more about dubdom now than i did then.

  i found this piece.

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  Triple A, I had read some anti-witness books but it strengthened my resolve to commit to dubdom. I was baptized before Crisis of Conscience came out. If I had read that, it might have been different. But I was looking for something to fulfill that which was missing. I really liked the sister we studied with, there was no Hell, a community, morals, the worldwide brotherhood - ah, ideals. Glen