Hmmm. one can only speculate.... I would think that I would have known love, instead of criticism and fear. I would perhaps have been able to make friends and trust them. I would maybe have been given the opportunity to read the bible without being told that it meant something other than it said... which could have steered my life in a totally different way. Gosh......the possibilities are endless....!!
Posts by DJ
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19For those brought up in the borg, How would of your life been different ?
by run dont walk in.
we have all fantasized about never having been jw's, how would your life of been different (better or worse) if your family(parents) would of never joined the jw's.. hypothetical question i know.
but fun to think about it.. for me, i might of actually had a family, instead of being ignored and critized for not going to meetings.. for my family, it goes back to my grandmother (who is now 100), who started the crap line going.
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Criticism is unavoidable
by logansrun inas i've stepped off the train of a myopic weltenschuung and entered the busy streets of competing ideas, i have come to a very interesting realization: all claims, ideas, philosophies, behaviors -- everything -- can be criticised.
it doesn't matter how good your argument is, how beneficial it might be to humanity -- it can and will be put through the machine of skepticism and kinks in the armor will become known.
criticism is unavoidable.
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DJ
I have come to a very interesting realization: all claims, ideas, philosophies, behaviors -- everything -- can be criticised.
That is quite the epiphany Brad....
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Do Jw men treat wives as Christ treats the church?
by ellderwho in.
what has irked me lately is the way my mothers husband (elder bob) treats mom.
in typical jw fashion subserviant, always careful in speaking out of turn esspecially our weekly study( "bible study") er book study.. i have to find a way to work in the reference of treating wives the way christ treats the church and let elder bob stew on that, but being careful not to plant seeds of resentment, with mom.
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Hi elderwho, It's impossible to give what you don't possess. The r&f are not permitted to have Christ in them or belong to Him. They may profess Christ but do not possess Him. How can we expect them to show His love from within if they are empty?
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Why JW's don't have a relationship with God
by hooberus in(even "anointed" jws do not accept that the man jesus christ is mediating for them in heaven, but instead believe that he is an angel, no longer a man.
) here is the thread on jesus christ still being a human.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/61530/1.ashx.
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"JW primarily have Jesus dying for adamic sin, the concept of Jesus bearing their personal sins in his body is foreign to many of them."
Hi Hooberus,
That's sad but true. I had no idea that Christ died for me personally to forgive my sins. I wasn't really sure what He was for. It wasn't until I was in my late thirties that I realized the truth in Christ. I was in a sort of culture shock. I was thrilled and tearful and basically freaked that I had not ever been told this! Finally, the bible started to actually make sense because prior to me grasping that, the scriptures needed to be explained because they made no sense whatsoever. It was so cool to be able to read the bible and keep reading without taking huge chunks out because they "weren't for me." I spoke with my jw sister not too long ago and she was confused when I said "In Christ"...she angrily asked me what that was supposed to mean. There it is..... that is what they are forbidden. dj
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Just don't understand them...........................
by gti2002 inmy husbands family are jw, my huband threatened to be but has changed his mind.
his mother is absolutely foul to me and has taken every opportunity to try and get in between us and split us up.
if we ever row, she takes his side and starts pointing out what an awful, disgusting (yes she actually said that!
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sorry, I hit the wrong button.
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Just don't understand them...........................
by gti2002 inmy husbands family are jw, my huband threatened to be but has changed his mind.
his mother is absolutely foul to me and has taken every opportunity to try and get in between us and split us up.
if we ever row, she takes his side and starts pointing out what an awful, disgusting (yes she actually said that!
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Hi gti,
Sadly, your situation sounds familiar. I have in laws who are married to my jw siblings. My parents do NOT look favorably at them either. If they were jw's then everything that they find to dislike about them would disappear. I feel so badly for them. I have one sister in law who calls to cry on my shoulder all the time. She atleast understands not to take it too personally anymore because she ses that it is about the religion and not her, per se.
As far as stopping your husband from going to meetings...hmmm, do be careful...I think that one could back fire on you. You see, as long as you try to stop him...he will perceive that as "persecution" and it tends to fuel their type of thinking. I would suggest that you do some research about the org. and share it with your hubby in aloving, civilized discussion. And be persistent in caring for the fact that he has been taught this and most likely takes it quite seriously. It is not an easy 1-2-3 thing to get over. it takes time and lots of love and patience as well as the research. I can't stress enough the importance of your husband realizing that he has been taught error. Do you know hat things about the jw's that he does believe strongly? For starters you can debunk the lie that the Governing Body speaks for God. Have you suggested that he read the book called, Crisis of Conscience? It should help him and I would also recommend some books by David Reed, such as "Answering jehovah's witnesses verse by verse" and the other one"...subject by subject". You can find these books here www.freeminds.org and www.cftf.com and check out this site about the blood issue www.ajwrb.org It shows all of the hypocrisy of that teaching. Also show him that the trinity brochure by the jw's is full of sentences taken out of context and misused in order to support their thinking. To do this you can do a search here on this site.
I can also advise you that your best defense aginst his mother is just to be civil to her and polite but keep your distance. You will never win if you can't show that you have love, because that is the one commodity that many jw's lack. Your husband will see how you act and how she acts and take it from there. I wish you much patience and strength because it is not easy but if you love your husband, it is the only way. hugs. dj
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UK to introduce identity cards
by Simon incall me sceptical but this is just a scame to get money (id & passport = 77) and will be abused by the powers that be.
it will not help fight crime, terrorism or anything else.. why have fingerprint info on my card?
aren't the ones on the end of my fingers good enough?!
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just a scame to get money
There are plenty of those around... I think that an ID is nothing to worry about though unless someone has something to hide.
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Have you ever looked at your old posts?
by Aztec ini did for a little while today and i was cracking up!
what i saw was a younger, more naive version of myself.
i came out swinging!
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Yeah Aztec...not a pretty picture..lol.. It's hard to believe just how much we can change once we have healed. I also see a reflection of some pms in some of my posts.
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what defines your life now?
by franklin J inas a jehovahs witness, our lives were clearly "defined".
for those of us who are no longer in the "truth", what "drives" your life now?.
for me, it is my kids ( 12, 9, 4--busy--busy--busy) ; my wife; my career; i live by my own personal value system ( tried, tested and working).. the absence of the superimposed restrictive grid of the jw lifestyle has allowed my life to blossom.
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Fear no longer defines my life. I've held onto the teachings of Christ and try to apply his teaching about being loving toward others. I don't get all hyped up about material things anymore and I have found that life is much simpler now. I'm trying to raise decent kids and be a good wife to my husband. Litte things are important and happiness is within.
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Dis-fellowshipping
by unclejoe ini was disfellowshipped for exactly one year.
i couldn't help thinking how controlling the elders were.
i lived with my parents just so they could talk to me.
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stillajwexelder....
I am truly sick about it now as I have said on other posts
You need to look at this from a different view. You did them a favor in the long run. You disfellowshipped people from a lying, deceitful, hypocritical, false prophet.