One of continuing concern for those left in... and also of concern that they might at any point "turn" on me and break my heart... so I guess that's a bit of paranoia, too.
The interesting thing is that when I had an incredible conversation with a loved one who no longer walks the walk but still professes to think it is the TEEruth, he told me that I had many bad situations arise, (which he does not blame on the WT, but on "individuals", wth????) and that I was such a sensitive person that it hurt me too much to face it. In other words, he was telling me I was the one in denial. So I asked him point blank, "Are you saying that my empathy comes from Lucifer?"
Anyhoo.
LOL at SteveNYC. hahahahaha.
And WELCOME, COOLERKING!!! We're glad you're here.
BabaYaga
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What Emotion Do You Have Now Because You Were One Of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by minimus inare you angry that you ever got involved in this religion??
depressed??
confused??
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New Here/Trivia
by Butters ini left the borg about 3 years ago.
i also see that i accidentally clicked female on my registration here.
how do i go back and change that?
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BabaYaga
Welcome Butters! Good to see ya... somebody already started a Welcome Butters thread for you, too!
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What Factors led you to Write your Letter of Disassociation?
by The wanderer in<!-- .style1 { font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; } .style2 {color: #ffa042} .style3 {color: #000000} --> what factors led you to write your letter of disassociation?quite a number of disassociation letters can be found .
on the internet.
some are lengthy, others get right to .
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Outlaw I agree completely:
"As far as I`m concerned a D/A letter shows them they still have control over you."
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Welcome a newbie, "Butters"!
by WingCommander ini couldn't help notice there was a newbie posting one of the other threads, and that he had the photo of "butters" from south park and the screen name "butters".
i laughed out loud immediately.
butters in south park definetly seems like the guilible type to have been a jw.
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BabaYaga
Welcome, Butters, we're glad you're here.
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How old did you expect to be when the New System would come?
by JH ini became a jw at age 28 and no way did i expect to ever get older than 40 years old in this system.. maybe at the extreme, i could have imagined being 45 years old, not more..
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Dear gods... *hugs* rightbackatcha, Jojo!!!!!
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How old did you expect to be when the New System would come?
by JH ini became a jw at age 28 and no way did i expect to ever get older than 40 years old in this system.. maybe at the extreme, i could have imagined being 45 years old, not more..
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I was terrified as a small child waiting for the school bus, because I was so afraid that armageddon would start while I was away from my Mommy there waiting for the bus or at school... with all the fire from the sky and people screaming and writhing... although I was promised I would be okay because Jehovah LOVES his little baby Witnesses... I was terrified and wanted my Mommy by my side (apparently Jehovah wasn't enough.) I also worried myself to death about my Gramma who was not a Witness being destroyed, rather difficult to wrap a fresh little mind around that one.
What a cool thing for a small child to be obsessed with. People who weren't raised this way can't imagine and don't know what the hell we're talking about. Is it any wonder we have issues... hey, thanks for the forum, kids. -
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Older WT quote reveals attitude toward disfellowshipped family members
by OnTheWayOut inhey, i discovered this older quote from reexamine.org.
i could not believe how serious it was about what a family .
member was not allowed to do with a disfellowshipped .
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BabaYaga
My gods, that was truly sickening. Unbelievable. Yes, it does sound like a joke... I find myself going over the lines of the stoning sketch from Monty Python in The Life of Brian just to keep my sanity...
MATTHIAS:
Look. I don't think it ought to be blasphemy, just saying 'Jehovah'.
CROWD:
Oooh! He said it again! Oooh!...
OFFICIAL:
You're only making it worse for yourself!
MATTHIAS:
Making it worse?! How could it be worse?! Jehovah! Jehovah! Jehovah!
CROWD:
Oooooh!...
OFFICIAL:
I'm warning you. If you say 'Jehovah' once more--
[MRS. A. stones OFFICIAL]
Right. Who threw that?
[silence]
Come on. Who threw that?
CROWD:
She did! It was her! He! He. Him. Him. Him. Him. Him. Him.
GaryBuss, I am without words. I just don't know what to say, except to send you a hug. Gods.
Forscher, thanks for the diary... that was amazing.
Atlantis, thanks for the scans. It's somehow even more chilling to see it in that old familiar KS layout.
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The Best way to talk with my JW sister???
by Grog ini have a younger sister who is 15 and very willing to debate the witness doctrine with me.
she is planning on getting baptized in about 6 months and i'm against it and even my witness mom who has been a witness for 15 years thinks she should wait.
but of course my sister is getting it from all angles with a study and an older sister who is a fresh baptism and very fervent for the "truth".
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BabaYaga
JWFacts you always have great discussion points.
First of all, Grog, you're in a good place to plant seeds because I take it you are not a baptized witness? WooHOOooo!!! Let her keep counting those "bookstudy" hours with you, Baby!
I recently asked a similar question myself... and had great success with the following:
First of all, above all else, do not be condescending. Never imply that they are stupid for being where they are now. That will put up defenses and your good points will all go down the drain.
Socratic method... Let them come to the correct conclusions in their own minds, by hearing their own mouths say it.
Cognitive dissonance... (psychological conflict resulting from incongruous beliefs and attitudes held simultaneously) in asking your questions, allow them to answer definitively things that contradict each other... then lovingly ask another question that points out the contradiction.
One thing that seems to work marvelously is to say, "I know that this is nearly impossible for you to do, but I must ask you to try, even just for a fraction of a second, to ponder the question, "What if they're wrong? (pause) What if all of the people who refuse blood every day are doing it for no reason? What if all the people who are disfellowshipped still have Jehovah's love and favor and protection, how would we know?" Or something to that effect.
Also, ask them if they are willing to die instead of taking blood. (We know what the answer will be.) Then, say, "Did you know that the Society has changed its stance on blood several times in the past few years? First no blood and no organs, then organs were okay, and now they allow certain portions of blood to be used (blood fractions.) Did you know that originally they did not allow vaccinations? Did you know that there is a website now that includes presently presiding elders who are fighting for a reform on the blood issue? (and here it is... http://www.ajwrb.org/about.shtml ) When they change their stance on it again, how many faithful witnesses will have died for nothing?"
Of course the UN thing is AMAZING. The letter is on the UN site, if they are old enough to remember the scarlet colored wild beast illustrations!
Best of luck. Remember... PLANT SEEDS for thought... and then tread softly on the tilled soil and water delicately as needed. -
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Happy Birthday, you cheeky monkey, it doesn't say so on your little thingie on the left! (I don't have it on mine, either)
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Another JW sees the light
by headmath intake that gb.
http://www.freeminds.org/stories/ssalg.htm.
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BabaYaga
That analogy is tremendous! It reminds me of "Lord of the Flies" when things start to get ugly.