http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/nwt.htm
this is from the freeminds website.
i love reading quotes in their full context and realizing how much the "brothers" have chopped them up to suit their own purposes.
I once posted that scholar should add a BS to all of the other degrees, because that is what seems to come out the most. then he can add a PhD to the whole mess (Pile higher & Deeper).
He really does like to put the credentials on the end of his posts. Just because a person gets religfious degrees makes them an expert on the religious bend oof every discusion.
in blondie's absence this week, i am posting the comments she sent me for the week's watchtower study.
since the article is mainly a statistical recap of jw statistics for 2003 (and basically the wts patting themselves on the back), this post is shorter than blondie's usual commentary.
comments you will not hear at the 2-15-04 wt study
I think by PEAK, they mean the maximum that year, not the highest peak ever, si I don't think it was a lie.
I think that it is a great statement to confuse the ranks, and al that you need is one person to believe it to corrupt the rest of the group. Which is exactly what happened during Sundays meeting. One of the Dubs said that with the peak numbers of witnesses in Japan that they will be well over 218,000 next year.
Klaus: those are some very good figures that you have mentioned. It sounds like you have a very good passion for seeing the end of their system of things. Let?s all cheer Blondie for continuing this study.
i'm new here, i only just found this site the other day so i don't know if i'm repeating something that has already been covered.
i'm sorry if i am.. can anyone help me on the scripture in genesis 2v9.. it says that god created two trees, the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and bad.
these were put into the garden before adam and obviously before adam and eve sinned.. if this is the case, does that mean god created bad?
Laurelin: you have a very thought provoking question. Do not get into to much detail during a study, the conductor might just ignore you and say ?that the answer will come when you have more faith?. Wasn?t I told that enough.
Leolaia: those are some very good quotes. I will definitely use them the nest time that I go in-depth with an elder.
Let me try to recap the position that the WT has on this point. Which all witnesses may not share, but is what I was told during my time ?in?. God created everything perfect, but gave everyone the option to do bad things. He created perfect humans that became imperfect after the fruit was eaten. He created perfect angels and one of them, Lucifer, decided to be bad and became evil. This goes against, in my opinion, the idea that God created everything. If he did then he would have also created evil, but that would go against a loving God. The whole story of Eden, yes I realize that it is mythology, is just another test that god put the humans through. He is basically the only bad person in the whole story. I had never thought about the tree of good and bad, and cannot wait to use it during my next in-depth discussion.
for many years i have wondered about the nephalim, sorry if this is a previously asked question.. i don't undertsand how the angels could have got women pregnant.
surely they did not have any inherent capabilities of producing life.. it seems to me that only a creator would have that ability.
so how did the angels get the women pregnant?.
I honestly heard a comparison between the nephalim and Neanderthal man.
flowerpetal: you have doubts.
I will put every effort into watching this organization boil away to nothing. Then when the big 'A' comes and there is no godly organization to go to for protection, wish that I had joined them all along.
much has been said on this forum about the reasons for the jw lack of growth in western lands.
numerous explanations have been put forward for this and for the future prospects of the organization.
but, above all else, i believe that there is one overriding reason behind it all.
I sure am glad that scholar came to the rescue on this topic. He is the best person on this board to fully represent the Watchtower position. He constantly searches the board for any post that has ?607? or ?destruction Jerusalem? in it and then tells everyone that the Watchtower has proven beyond a doubt that the date is correct and all apostates are from Satan.
I would like to think that chronology is dead, but with the comments of 2034 at one of the recent meetings I would think that it might rear its ugly head once again. There have been recent topics on this new date, on this discussion board, and I have followed them. I have, however, noticed the enthusiasm of the dubs when they talk about the new date and the short amount of time for this wicked system. It is something of a rejuvenation of their beliefs and gives them something tangible to look forward to, but time will tell if it will work or not. I think that some have come to the conclusion that 607 BCE might be a bad date and that might become the undoing.
I am encouraged by Elsewhere?s comment that fewer people are listening to the message because of the saturation level of families and people who have been hurt by their destructive methods. I have run into people who have been shunned by the org and now freely talk about their methods.
to a very close relative, who said they will listen if i can mail them info.
basically i need to present the truth about the truth, but only things that can be verified either in society print, or in the case of the un, from the un itself, no opinions, just documents that can be checked, preferably old and new and on varying matters, inconsistencies, blatant changes in doctrine etc, with references.. .
it's always been so 'matter of fact' for me that it's all false, i fear that if i try to provide information with just my own mindset, i will miss a lot and might not provide the best info, i have tried searching on the site but there are so many posts i struggle to find even posts i remember seeing last month.. .
It is hard to prove to close relatives that it is a false organization. Let me rephrase that ?It is hard to tell anyone that is already caught up in the trap that it is a false organization. If the Watchtower parasites have already warned them about the persecution that Satan will send their way once they are studying, then you will have an uphill battle. Might want even more artillery.
One subject that has broken through some of the enemy lines has been the 607 v. 587 debate. There are some good links in the link section and a good search will turn up more on the Internet. Give them a challenge, such as, prove that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE using secular evidence and I will not interfere with your studies.
....i sure hope so.
i wonder if we are making a real difference here.
i do hope we are chipping away at the very foundation of the organization.
I would like to think that we have eroded the organization a little bit. OKAY, OKAY, I hope we destroy the darn org. But above all else, I like this board for the information that it provides, the chance to vent, and be able to share information. If there is a side benefit of just affecting one percent of the current membership that would over joy myself.
in the brief time that i've been reading jw-related postings and sites on the net, i've seen a lot of stuff regarding the jw leadership being all about the money with the implication that there is something unsavory about their acquisitiveness.. if that is true, what exactly do they want it for?
from what i've read, the gb seem to live reasonably well (better, in fact, than the average jw would expect, i think) but it hardly seems anything that would have earned them a spot on lifestyles of the rich and famous.
so, why would they be so concerned about amassing organizational wealth?
I think that the governing body is a group of men that believe in their cause. They think that what they are doing is for the betterment of people and the end of this system. The collection of money is just another way to report success. We get to see the annual numbers of baptized, pioneers and number of hours as a form of growth, while they get to see the bank statement. From a spiritual perspective they have everything that they want, power, a comfortable place to live and the shaping of the organization.
You could also ask why do people give up everything to be a CO, and it is probably for the same reasons. The power must be intense and one of the reasons that turns me off to the organization.
