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It's bad enough the Society doesn't quote references ......

by Frequent_Fader_Miles in

but on page 43 of the 1991 "flock book", here's how the society encourages those who give public talks to "regularly work toward improving their teaching ability" .... 1. do thorough research in the society's publications to bring the material to life.

2. be sure your outline is kept current(sound advice).

periodically update your statistics, experiences, illustrations and so forth.. however, the book-holder noted the following in the margin:.

Frequent_Fader_Miles

But on page 43 of the 1991 "Flock Book", here's how the Society encourages those who give public talks to "regularly work toward improving their teaching ability" ...

1. Do thorough research in the Society's Publications to bring the material to life. (how can you thoroughly research a pack of lies with no references? Lies don't need any more animation do they?)

2. Be sure your outline is kept current(sound advice). Periodically update your statistics, experiences, illustrations and so forth.

HOWEVER, the book-holder noted the following in the margin:

Do not use any experiences that are not published in the Society's publications. NO INTERNET DATA.

I'm really not surprised by that note. So much for keeping current ....

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If this is protection ... throw me to the wolves!

by Frequent_Fader_Miles in

page 93 of the 1991 "flock book" discusses the treatment of victims of sexual abuse.

it states that elders should always do what they reasonably can to protect children from further abuse; follow the society's direction on such matters.

isn't that somewhat of an oxymoron?

Frequent_Fader_Miles

Page 93 of the 1991 "Flock Book" discusses the treatment of victims of sexual abuse. It states that elders should always do what they reasonably can to protect children from further abuse; follow the Society's direction on such matters. Isn't that somewhat of an oxymoron? How can those 2 statements be even used in the same sentence?

The "book-holder" went on to make this note in the margin:

What about victims of abuse as children who now ask for help? Help them to look at matters from Jehovah's standpoint. It was not their fault. Don't dwell on bad thoughts. Constant rehashing of past abuses has a disparaging effect. No reason to discuss with others, or "group therapy".

Hasn't this elder ever been to a JC meeting? They rehash every filthy detail humanly imaginable, and dish out some of the most traumatic "group therapy" known to man!

Who made them psychological/ psychiatric experts to say whether or not someone needs group therapy?

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If I handed in a paper like that ... I'd fail!

by Frequent_Fader_Miles in

something always bugged me about the society's publications.

they'd always use phrases like "many persons do this" or "one expert says", or "many believe".

the person being referred to or quoted is always veiled in obscurity.

Frequent_Fader_Miles

Thanks for all the replies everyone! But I must make special mention of "TheOldHippie" who said:

The bibliography or references are always available upon request, they will then send you the extended versions of the articles you want. Just ask.

ARE YOU FOR REAL????????????

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Literal meal vs. "spiritual meal"

by Frequent_Fader_Miles in

on page 103 of the revised flock book (1991 edition) where it discusses disfellowshipped ones (and social gatherings), it states that "loyal worshippers of jehovah will want to adhere to the inspired counsel at 1 corinthians 5:11.

" the "counsel" given there involves "not even eating" with a disfellowshipped one.

if the rank and file aren't allowed to have a literal meal with the df'd person, how come they're allowed to have a "spiritual meal" with that same person?

Frequent_Fader_Miles

On page 103 of the revised Flock Book (1991 edition) where it discusses disfellowshipped ones (and social gatherings), it states that "Loyal worshippers of Jehovah will want to adhere to the inspired counsel at 1 Corinthians 5:11." The "counsel" given there involves "not even eating" with a disfellowshipped one.

If the rank and file aren't allowed to have a literal meal with the DF'd person, how come they're allowed to have a "spiritual meal" with that same person? Why should the DF'd person be subjected to the torture of going to the Kingdumb Hell just to be ignored by everyone?

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Anything weird you like to eat?

by free2beme in

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i was camping this weekend with some friends and around the camp fire the subject came up, "what is something weird you like to eat?

" i thought it was a fun subject and we all had some laughs over our odd appetites.. some of mine .... i love bologna with american cheese and miracle whip (the only thing i will use miracle whip with).

i love the taste of straight pickle juice or hot pepper juice.

Frequent_Fader_Miles

Pickled pig's feet

Pickled chicken's feet

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Convention should be called Follow "A" Christ

by garybuss in

according to the insight book, there are christs like there are gods, many!

the term "christ" is a title like judge or attorney.

if the conventions are really about jesus, like they're advertised in the media, the conventions should be called follow "a" christ instead of "the" christ, according to witness produced literature.

Frequent_Fader_Miles

Actually, the Convention may be quite appropriately named as is. Since "Christ" can also mean "annointed", which in turn may be translated as the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" ....

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JW Atttitude toward Illegal Immigrants

by B_Deserter in

i have a jw friend that is letting an illegal immigrant live with him.

the brothers in his hall know his status (i wouldn't be surprised if half of them were illegal as well) but mention nothing about "obeying caesar's laws.

anybody else ever notice this?

Frequent_Fader_Miles

They don't turn in the pedophiles, so why an illegal immigrant? Besides, that would be like turning down Jah's "loving provision" of an eager bible study who ~~feels obligated to the brothers~~ shows zeal for the truth!

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If I handed in a paper like that ... I'd fail!

by Frequent_Fader_Miles in

something always bugged me about the society's publications.

they'd always use phrases like "many persons do this" or "one expert says", or "many believe".

the person being referred to or quoted is always veiled in obscurity.

Frequent_Fader_Miles

Something always bugged me about the Society's publications. They'd always use phrases like "many persons do this" or "one expert says", or "many believe". The person being referred to or quoted is always veiled in obscurity. I often wondered, who really ARE these people? Do they really exist? Even as a rookie undergraduate student, the word bibliography was constantly drummed into my head. So much so, I could write one in my sleep!

If I were to write a paper with vague references like those, I would get a failing grade in a hot second! The lecturer wont even finish reading the assignment! Don't the Society's writers (if you can call them that) even know what references or bibliographies are?

Then again, why put references when you've taken the quote out of context, blatantly lied, or doctored the quotation.

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Why did you get married?

by pratt1 in

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as a young dub in the 80's me along with many of my friends got married, either in our teens or early 20's.. in my area, if you were over 25 and not married, it was percieved that something was wrong with you or you were probably engaging in sex with a "worldly" person.. by why did so many of us feel the need to get married so young?.

i believe it was because of one of three reasons.. 1. you wanted to get out of your parets home.. 2. you had already gone "too far" with you girlfriend or boyfriend.. 3. you were just an average normal teenager and you knew this was the only way you could legally have sex.. .

was this true in your area?.

Frequent_Fader_Miles

In my area, if you were over 25 and not married, it was percieved that something was wrong with you or you were probably engaging in sex with a "worldly" person.

I guess that's the category I fell in ... I only got married recently (to a non-JW) at the ripe old age of 34.

Looking at the choice of reasons, I believe my mom was partial to the first reason. When I left home to live on my own, she gave me a long lecture about her vision of me leaving when I got married. I was already in my late twenties, and completely fed up of having someone privy to my every move. Besides, what if I never got married? Did she expect me to stay in my parent's house forever? I was ready for independence!

When the time came and I was ready to settle down, my reason was companionship.

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The elders fail again! No shepherding for this marriage...

by truthsearcher in

i had an interesting discussion with an elder from a christian church.

there is a jw lady coming to their elders for marriage counselling because "there is no help for my marriage at the kh".

the jw elders have failed as shepherds and so now the sheep is seeking a shepherd who really does care and can help!

Frequent_Fader_Miles

At least she can see for herself that other religions are not demonised.

I agree totally! Before I married my "unbelieving" husband, I was quite impressed with the genuine, caring counselling we received from one of "Christendom's" Pastors. He was also the one who conducted our wedding ceremony and has kept in touch with us ever since. This is a far cry from our experience with the JW elder, who just used the occasion to create contention.

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