Posts by AllTimeJeff

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Your thoughts on whether atheists and agnostics are one step closer to God than religionists?

by Fernando in

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topgodapexspiritual persons (eg paul)middleatheists, agnostics, secularistsbottomreligionists (eg saul)seemingly in scripture the only persons jesus repeatedly tore into were the religionists (pharisees and sanhedrin or governing body).

it seems he gave the romans (secularists) scant attention, and chose to eat with the likes of prostitutes and presumably also lgbt persons..

AllTimeJeff

Hi Phizzy. I grow in my spirituality by learning and being honest with myself. I am not afraid to read or consider other points of view. I think that a growing spirituality involves more than "getting closer to god". I think it has everything to do with improving as a person and finding your purpose in life. With developing a philosphy that is both solid, yet allows for learning and growth.

I think that if "spirituality" causes you to look down on people, to rule people out, to give up on people, so that you can be right or better, than you go backwards and not forwards.

Being a spiritual person is not about finding a group of people who agrees with you so that you can think your group is right and others are wrong. It's about being a light in the world to everyone, to be yourself while allowing others to be themselves.

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Your thoughts on whether atheists and agnostics are one step closer to God than religionists?

by Fernando in

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topgodapexspiritual persons (eg paul)middleatheists, agnostics, secularistsbottomreligionists (eg saul)seemingly in scripture the only persons jesus repeatedly tore into were the religionists (pharisees and sanhedrin or governing body).

it seems he gave the romans (secularists) scant attention, and chose to eat with the likes of prostitutes and presumably also lgbt persons..

AllTimeJeff

Wasn't expecting to find that old post up here. Thanks for finding that BTS.

My thoughts on this are simple: I think that you limit yourself when you go all in to the group think of a church/religion. I think that there are more evolved ways to view god and spirituality. When you move past group think, you allow yourself to grow.

The 4 Stages link really does describe to me in a general way why I feel that way.

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Did you DF yourself on purpose?

by Evidently Apostate in

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lately i have been thinking about saying something apostate to my elder father in law.

he is an uber witness and actually believed that god interveined and saved him when he had a heart attack and kept him alive, until he told me that and i asked him why jehovah allowed jws in nazi concentration camps to suffer horribly and die but he loved an alcoholic more than them.. i havent been to a kh in 6 months or in service in years.

i grew a beard and basicallyhe avoids talking to me.

AllTimeJeff

Write a letter. Write it on one side of one page. (Bethel policy). Don't make it long. Make it pretty damn biting.

When I put in my resignation letter, the elders still wanted to meet with me. In my case, they held off announcing it for several weeks because it came completely out of the blue. I had planned it all, and gave off very little as to my intentions. Reading here (lurking) during that time convinced me that I had to go out on my terms. So I planned it all out.

I moved out in a few hours to a new apartment, let my ex wife know that I was done with her in a seperate letter, and put my resignation letter with it. (we were staying at an elders house after coming back from Africa.)

I say, resign. I also say if at all possible, save the drama. Plan on leaving and leave. Who cares if it shocks them? It's a cult, a no win situation. You can't change them. You can only move forward.

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What is the protocol for sending an anniversary card to...

by AwSnap in

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someone who's shunning you?

it's my sister's 10th anniversary today.

i sent her an anniversary card in the mail, and am reeeeally hoping it doesn't get returned to me.

AllTimeJeff

Send the card. When in doubt, do the normal, loving thing.

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Still a hard line on DF family members WTApr15 2012

by Gladring in

the april 2012 wt study article has some of the most strongly worded statements about contact with disfellowshipped family members.. page 12, paragraph 17: -.

good that can come when a family loyally.

upholds jehovahs decree not to associate.

AllTimeJeff

Sorry 00DAD. I apologize, you're right. I don't have to deal with it everyday like you do.

What I mean is, there is little anyone can do to change it. We can only change our response.

But I feel bad that I came across as coldly as I did. That's not how I feel about it.

Be patient and loving, and perhaps in time, they will come back to you. :)

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Applying Math, Physics, Archeology to THE STORY OF NOAH

by Terry in

AllTimeJeff

Hi Truthseeker. I just want to say, I love Terry's post here, and I don't scoff at your faith.

However, I don't believe the flood account for a second. It doesn't make any sense in how it was reported, how it was purportedly done, or what it accomplished.

See, "evil" according to the bible is still around. Nothing changed.

I think that the only relevant terms to measure this are in human terms.

Having said that, I wish you well in your faith. Regardless of what anyone thinks of the flood account of the bible, it's potential meaning is very limited today, especially considering the (lack of) evidence.

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Still a hard line on DF family members WTApr15 2012

by Gladring in

the april 2012 wt study article has some of the most strongly worded statements about contact with disfellowshipped family members.. page 12, paragraph 17: -.

good that can come when a family loyally.

upholds jehovahs decree not to associate.

AllTimeJeff

First off, don't get angry about this. We are all victims. In the time since I left, none of my living family, including my dad, will talk to me.

Sucks.

Take comfort in the fact that many have, and will continue to disobey this idiodicy. When I was an elder, this was a big problem, and it will continue I am sure.

There are borderline families who will follow, but this article will push just as many the other way. Don't worry, the Governing Body can't win this. They are leaders of a type of cult. You have to expect that their #1 play, shunning, will be promoted.

Having said that, I will also say that these idiots more than ever are a CULT CULT CULT!

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Still a hard line on DF family members WTApr15 2012

by Gladring in

the april 2012 wt study article has some of the most strongly worded statements about contact with disfellowshipped family members.. page 12, paragraph 17: -.

good that can come when a family loyally.

upholds jehovahs decree not to associate.

AllTimeJeff

First off, don't get angry about this. We are all victims. In the time since I left, none of my living family, including my dad, will talk to me.

Sucks.

Take comfort in the fact that many have, and will continue to disobey this idiodicy. When I was an elder, this was a big problem, and it will continue I am sure.

There are borderline families who will follow, but this article will push just as many the other way. Don't worry, the Governing Body can't win this. They are leaders of a type of cult. You have to expect that their #1 play, shunning, will be promoted.

Having said that, I will also say that these idiots more than ever are a CULT CULT CULT!

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Hilarious picture in April 15th 2012 WT

by Mickey mouse in

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AllTimeJeff

I am waiting for someone to convince us that the Watchtower has enough good, talented artists to embed images that would cause us to go to the KH? You know, subliminal art.

Sheesh... (I mean, Sheep)

May this prove once and for all that the WT can barely keep in their employ "artists".

I bet someone called in a favor for a new artist. This is crap art. Looks like he just got his winky wanked.

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Happiness is a Study

by AllTimeJeff in

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paradise!.

live forever!.

as jw's we were taught that things, money, posessions, cannot make you happytm.

AllTimeJeff

Two things:

wallsofjericho NAILED it about the "feeling" of happiness in JW land. It was really the relief that you don't have to feel guilty for not doing something the group told you that you should be doing. Great point. Thanks!

Poppers, I loved what you said here, and I have seen this true in my own case and many other people as well. It is why I am so focused on this. I get it now...

People generally think that happiness must be acquired, and therefore go in search of it in some fashion. What they don't realize is that happiness is an inherent quality of what they truly are, and since they have no knowledge of what they truly are they are influenced by outside sources. Those sources will send them on endless quests to fulfill their desire for happiness and peace, and no matter how successful they are in achieving some particular goal to meet that purpose they will shortly feel a need to set another goal. In the meantime, they completely overlook what's already present within themselves.

If I may opine, what it is within you can grow and make you even happier, but you have to know and love yourself first. It is well worth the time and effort to get to know yourself for the first time. :)