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  If you could know NOTHING and start from ZERO, where would you end up?

  by nicolaou in

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  imagine you have your full powers of reason and can debate with others in the same situation but you have absolutely no knowledge of the nature of existence.

  where would you start?

  it's a tricky one for sure, but if you could unlearn everything you know and start from absolute zero what conclusions do you think you might reach about the big questions?.

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  RAF

  Truly I don't know ... because I'm not there ... (I just can't think without my experiences).

  But I guess I would follow my heart and reasoning anyway or the reason of my heart ...
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  My big day went very well

  by iamfreenow in

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  as many of you likely know, i was due to be baptised as a christian this morning at the baptist church i have been attending since just after i disassociated from the jehovahs witnesses.

  this time, i remember it all.

  we opened the service with "amazing grace", which is one of my favourites, and i noticed that my friends trev and linda were joining in the singing, somewhat to my surprise, especially trev, there may be hope for him yet!

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  RAF

  ... ...

  I can't really remember how I felt when I was baptised as a JW, it is so long ago, I was only14 at the time

  Wow ... That's something that I really can't stand about how JW's push kids to make such decision (moreover when you know where it leads and what it means in there doctrine).
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  Sin didn't kill Adam...the food did

  by onacruse in

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  harp of god 39. eden contained perfect food that would have sustained the perfect man and he would not have died had he remained in eden, unless jehovah had put him to death in some direct manner.

  but god drove him out of eden, took him away from the perfect food, caused him to gather his food from among the thorns and thistles and from other imperfect elements of the earth that were found outside of eden; and in this condition he continued to sicken and to die until at the end of the period of 930 years he was dead.. .

  this theme is repeated numerous times throughout the 20s and 30s.

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  RAF

  I've come to the conclusion that, insofar as the Genesis account is relevant to human existence, it's meaning is that humanity must take that first step of self-awareness...and the responsibilities for self-decision that come along with that step

  Yeah that's what I've meant ... you've put it way better ! Thanks Onacruse
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  Should God be Held Responsible for the Evil that Men Do?

  by The wanderer in

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  organization claiming to be gods channel of communication?

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  RAF

  Who gives a leader the power?
  Which leader are you for?
  Are the Leaders those who are acting for leaders?
  Aren't the followers those who are giving a leader the power he've got?

  Everybody is responsible for his/her own choices (and what they do or let do).
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  My wife loves me more than I love her

  by jayhawk1 in

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  love has always been a difficult concept for me.

  i've dated several women that i had no emotional connection with.

  i began to think falling in love would never happen.

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  RAF

  There is no doubt that my wife loves me more than I love her. Why is that? What's wrong with me?

  Well just you questionning yourself and wanting to do something to feel better with her looks like true love to me anyway (you want something good for her) ... What is more? and What is love? if it's not to want more for the other one ...

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  New here so this may be long...

  by mandalion in

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  i wasn't born in the truth.

  my parents started studying when i was five.

  we started living all the principals completely when i was nine.

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  ... Welcome !
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  No proof for the Paranormal?

  by skyking in

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  most scientist feel that the paranormal can not be taken seriously.

  however, when the persons making extreme claims are professor brian josephson at camberidge and jessica utts who is a professor of statistics at the university of california at davis.

  both have impressive credentials and marshals the evidence for their case using repeatable tests that proves mathematically that the paranormal is real.

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  Ok ...

  I don't know who are Josephson and Utts, but truly It wouldn't change what I think about it by now. I have my own experiences on paranormal things even not alone (familly all together - about sorcery) so it's not as if I would be the only one to tell. There are still no proof for those who was not there or never had the same experiences ... That's what paranormal is all about (no real/tangible proof about the how and the what ) ...

  That being said ... There is paranormal and paranormal ... our spirit which have a lot of imagination and intution is abble to lead us to some paranormal experiences for many reasons also a sickness like being skiso ... it's good to still really wonder about what is what that doesn't mean that it have to be really paranormal (there might be a tangible explanation) nor that it is not paranormal ... but the experience is paranormal. I mean the one who is telling that he had a paranormal experience do not lie, it's just his/her paranormal experience (he/she might be never be able to proove or explane it).

  Also if you believe in God you know that some things can be paranormal ... nobody would be able to proove that God does exist. It obvious for some people not for everyone (and most do not believe because God doesn't answer their needs/questions the way they do expect) ... but thinking that everything came out of evolution is paranormal somehow and only leads to believe something too big to stand into something very tiny (to get the capacity to create and evolve). that is somehow paranormal but at least they think it is explainable (just like numerologie - it is explainable) but the mystic part of it stays paranormal.
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  Where exactly is Satan?

  by IronClaw in

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  since leaving the jw's most of us have also left most of their doctrine.

  so that being the case, most of us have left the wt understanding of 1914. now you know that the wt claims that satan was hurled out of heaven in that year down to the vicinity of the earth.

  so the question is: if 1914 is just another year to us, then what are your thoughts as to the whereabouts of satan and his followers?.

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  RAF

  I'm with Tetra and Robdar on this one ...

  In other word : if we can keep our ego/selfishness away (which is not easy to be honest) satan have no influence on us.

  By religions : our Ego/selfishness is used even by humilityto please God for salvation : If any religion says anything which lead to not have feelings for others for salvation / or just praying for them (it's a diversion because) it actually asks us to workship God for ourselves it's Egocentric/Satanic (it gives Satan/Ego the biggest place in our lives).
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  Big day for me tomorrow

  by iamfreenow in

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  hello everyone, i haven't been on here for a while, though i have read a few posts from time to time when i've been visiting my friends linda and trevor.

  i would like to be here more, but i am retired now, and can't really afford a pc or the internet, being on a somewhat limited income.. since i left the watchtower society in august, i have kept myself reasonably busy.

  i attend a couple of evening classes, help my non jw son and his wife out by babysitting when needed, and manage to see my jw sons' children as often as possible.

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  RAF

  I don't know what to think about the new baptisme (your reasons, your choice, your right), but what I'm really happy for you is that you feel well surounded and don't feel pressured in any way ...

  Take care
  I whish you well.
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  WTS Has Lost +35% of Elders in US Since 1994????

  by Seeker4 in

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  zack, on another thread, said he heard this figure from the platform at both the 2006 elders' school and his recent pioneer school:.

  that there were 93,000 elders in 1994, and less than 60,000 today, in the united states.. i thought these figures deserved their own thread, as they are shocking to me, and to see if anyone else has heard anything similar.. i'll post a link to the other thread as well.

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  RAF

  Good ! ... and sad at the same time if they can only fade

  my sister told me about an Elder from Martinique we knew very well ... as she said he is not going to the KH anymore ... she went to see him, and he didn't say much (nothing about religion anyway - he looked very depressive), but what he said to my sister which actually talked a lot was that :

  I feel for your poor mother

  Even if my sister thought that at first it was just a way to say he reminds my mother. I guess he knows my mother and have some regrets (5 kids no husband, JW ... Well ... too much for that kind of woman and Lots of time wasted)