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  What you resist persist?

  by frankiespeakin in

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  this video claims that jung taught this,, i don't know if it is true, but the idea sounds productive even though it may need a little tweeking:.

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-607695728330080374&q=resist+persist&total=52&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0.

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  Marcel

  to what organization is this video linked to?
  its basically right though.
  
  but if you use this philisophy on JWD we should close the forum and do something else but talking about the religion we think is wrong :-P
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  If JW's message is so urgent and Armageddon is imminent..

  by PopeOfEruke in

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  2. experiences

  then why do the walk so slow when out in field service?????????.

  honestly, i saw some dubs out witnessing yesterday and they have invented the "worlds most incredible slow walk".

  it makes a glacier look like a speeding avalanche.

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  Marcel

  thats typical jw behaviour. pioneers mastered slow walking and visiting distant door-to-door witnessing.
  its in my opinion one of the most impressive proof how "urgent" the message actually is :|
  
  funny, that the JWs are also "united" in this behaviour world wide :-)
  
  i always hated that acting.
  
  if the message were so wonderful and life in spiritual paradise so beautiful, WHY do we need a talk about "looking happy" in field service any other day?
  
  if we learned the truth by honest bible study from the bible itself and its actually OUR belief and not the belief of a doctrine dictating organization, WHY do so many talks remind us to tell the householder that it is YOUR belief and not the belief of JWs...?
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  Encountered Witnesses today at Dunkin Donuts, need some advice please

  by NotaNess in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am behind in composing my "counter-witness" pamphlets that i have been wanting to design, but i've been compiling info still.

  problem is that days like today, when i talked to witnesses in a plaza, i did not have anything to give but my words.

  funny, i gave my business card to them(they were spanish), and told them to have someone call on me, so i can do a study with them.

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  Marcel

  i think there are no top 5. every witness thinks different.
  
  my eyeopeners were:
  
  1. human laws and pharisee-like behaviour
  2. huge discrepance to science
  3. human calculations for 1914 are flawed BIG time, no biblical basis - just jumping around the bible and use some worldy info but not others, even from the same source
  4. blood doctrine in every aspect...
  5. the huge gap between "guided by the holy ghost" and reality. the stupid excuse "imperfect men" when things gone wrong and "faith strengthening support by god" if things went good.
  6. all the prophecies not coming true (except 1914... which is the only one you cant disprove since its invisible. how are the chances that THIS one is correct if all provably were false? this and the fact that the 1914 prophecy WASNT a prophecy but was invented many years after 1914 when it became clear that the old prophecies about 1914 were wrong)
  
  plus many others im too lazy to mention here :-)
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  I don't want to Die in this system!!

  by Save My Soul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have noticed many of my parents friends are slowly passing away.

  the daughter of a po told me he became inactive a year before his death because he never thought he would die in this system.

  he started smoking and watching porn as well.

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  Marcel

  i have to honestly admit that ive never learned to cope with death. im 26 and start thinking about death for REAL. im not afraid of it. no. i was dead already. from beginning of time until my birth. it didnt hurt. its fine to be dead.
  
  BUT! its not easy to see that all your relatives and friends who died along the way *MAY* dont come back. the hope of resurrection is like a fluffy pillow what helps you to cope with OTHERS death. they arent gone forever, you'll see'em again. so the possibility that there *may* be NOTHING more is not easy to cope with if you learned it otherwise from you're earliest childhood on.
  
  it makes almost cry when i recall the glimpse of joy in my grandpas eyes when he spoke about it. *sighs* so much hope... maybe for nothing...
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  Need a good question to ask a JW at work

  by claytoncapeletti in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if you had to pick the best question that would disprove a scared jw belief what would it be?

  i am not looking to debate the meaning of a scripture vs. a different scripture, rather i am looking for one of their beliefs that science and or history can totally dispute.

  i may only be able to ask one question and there is a good chance that it will end up back to the elders.

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  Marcel

  if there would be THAT short little question the JWs dont know an answer for, the cult wouldnt exist anymore. there actually ARE some questions, but they are usually answered by:
  
  - worldy sources arent reliable, if they contradict JW theology
  - most arguments against JW theology are just evil lies created by satan who let those arguments look like truth
  - direct evidence from the bible is just misinterpretation of it. JWs have the only proper interpretation.
  - critics at JW laws are tries of satan to lure JWs into disobeying god (like the blood thing)
  
  its sad, but there is no ONE killer-question in JW land.
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  Resurrection or Truth

  by XJWNB in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not sure if this has ever been brought up.

  but because of thsi forum and the realization that things said in the jw empire are not true.

  do you still believe in the resurrection hope?

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  Marcel

  i want to believe. but its not as easy as before when you find out youve been lied to before about it. its a great hope though.
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  Showing love by sleeping with prostitutes and encouraging wrongdoing ...

  by Frequent_Fader_Miles in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  further to my earlier post about the conversation i had with a depressed jw friend who was baptized at 12 years old .... she knows i married a non-jw, but doesn't know of my fading.

  she asked me whether i would help my husband with christmas shopping and gift wrapping.

  of course my answer was yes, but i decided to avoid answering directly and pick her brain a bit.

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  Marcel

  okay, lets be honest.
  i wouldnt help my wife doing xmas shopping even if i wouldnt be in the "truth" anymore.
  xmas is silly imho but if she wants it she can do it. but i wouldnt help (except some carrying or something). xmas is just another stupid invention by religious liars.
  
  i think the argument of your jw friend is okay. its really something different whether you "accept" behaviour or help doing it. if you think someone risks his life by doing something its not smart helping him doing it. thats just the way JW see xmas and stuff.
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  How often do "Jehovah's Witness" related thoughts consume your life?

  by free2beme in

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  2. friends

  i can honestly say, that several days and even weeks can go by, without me thinking about the witnesses.

  i come here and skip the witness related topics, unless they mention something about changes or new understanding.

  i just do not put a lot of focus on them, at this point in my life.

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  Marcel

  every damn single day. i even cant stop reading the literature.
  sometimes i even dream about it. i dreamt of getting DF'ed and shunned so often - its a nightmare.
  
  virtually im already out of the org, but emotionally i suffer from my findings about the "truth".
  
  still a long way to go i guess :/
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  LONG discussion with my parents. (long post of course)

  by LtCmd.Lore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's an update on me... i'm 18. i'm an atheist.

  i'm not making much money.

  i did something i promised myself i wouldn't do: i work for witnesses.

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  Marcel

  LtC!
  
  wow! i can feel you fully. im carrying that thinking with me since my late teenager times (im 26 now, baptised with 14). of course they growed over the time. unfortunately i didnt find the way out yet. i dumped all the goals within the congregation time by time (i was short before MS too) and im not visiting regulary anymore and have minimum service time effort.
  
  i talked with my mother the other day about a similar topic but tried to keep it low. but of course she sensed the critical thinking of mine and was a lil upset. i have great fear of leaving. i fear losing everything thats important to me.
  
  my wife knows everything about my thinking, but cant understand it either. its the truth and everything i say is viewed under the light of the doctrine only. its the same reasoning like your parents use. for every question there is a "just-add-water" watchtower response.
  
  i can feel your pain, man!
  
  marcel
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  Why don't Lurkers Post?

  by sweet pea in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i came to the realisation that my whole religious upbringing was in question and i was led to this site, i immediately wanted to get involved - i could see that there was a lot of caring, spiritual people here that had created an amazing community and i wanted to be a part of that community (to release some pent up feelings and to maybe help others in some way) but having read that many of you guys lurked for months and in some cases years before you finally posted - i'm intrigued as to why?????

  was it selfishness - couldn't bring yourself to commit and be a part of the community, you were just content to observe?

  was it laziness?

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  Marcel

  when i came here i posted IMMEDIATELY.
  but i lurked around on another (in my monther tongue) a little while.
  but not more than 1 week though :)
  
  i think for most lurkers its FEAR which keeps them from posting. they want just a free peak into another world. without consequenzes.