Marcel

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  The 144,000...How do JWs get that only 144K are going to Heaven?

  by A-Team in

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  ...using bible scripture (i knwo they can quote whatever the wts says about it, but im trying to understand how do they come to that conclusng using bible verses.

  also, in doing a little research, there is something very interesting that came up, and i never ever hear this from the jw.

  they always claim that the 12 tribes in rev.

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  Marcel

  they are led to believe that but it isnt this way. best example: 1914
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  My Husband is Lost to THEM

  by Mrs. Witness in

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  2. bible

  i need some support, some suggestions, and perhaps a gut-check.

  my husband was baptized in march.

  he was raised from the time he was about 7 until his mom kicked him out at 15 (wasn't she loving?

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  Marcel

  hello mrs. witness!
  
  deep symphathy from me for you. im in a situation which is very similar in some ways. im a raised and officially active jw though. but my marriage is at the very same crossroads (just without children. i dont want kids with THAT kind of questions still open).
  
  hope you can help him. but dont forget: being too harsh with a witness just proves for him, that satan is trying to lure him away. too much critics may be (mis-)interpreted as proof for the truth (lol).
  
  the main problem i see being a non-witness spouse of a witness is that the congregation tries to build up a wall between your husband and you. even though they arent allowed to leave you you are always "the problem", the extra hardness the witness have to endure. loving elders help your spouse to stay strong in faith even though he/she had YOU as him/her wife/husband.
  
  its a sad imaginiation for me :/ i fear that will happen to me when i leave someday.
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  When you were a dub, did you shun DF/DA'd people?

  by exwitless in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  actually, in my 14 years as a dub, it only came up with one person in our cong.

  who got pregnant out of wedlock (and used drugs during pregnancy).

  she was df'd but still came to most meetings.

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  Marcel

  when i was younger i shunned many. i didnt know why they are df or they da themselves. but i knew they were wrong regardless in what matter. and that was why i shunned them or while in service looked at them with disrespect. oh my god, i was so wrong about that. its so embarassing and cruel :/ a 16 year old looking at you with disrespect because of nothing. :/ no close friends though. my close friends wasnt caught doing wrong or repented good enough.
  
  when i started seriously doubting and a close friend was dfed i didnt shun him completely. "hello" on the street, smile in the congregation, full contact on the internet. now hes reinstated. he never quit being a believer. hes not an ideal dub, but still a dub.
  
  i wont ever shun someone else again. if armageddon really comes and god likes the dubs and not me, because i was too friendly to fellow humans who are weak in faith i can live with that (errrhh... no i can die with that).
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  How Many People Here Have Been "Disciplined" By The Elders?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  by "discipline" i mean, either private, public reproof, disfellowshipping or something that got you in enough trouble that you had to be counseled by the loving shepherds and it cost you something by not having "privileges".

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  not really. i lost some privileges because i stopped being a model-witness. thats all. im a nice boy. and they dont know my depths lol. :D
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  Fading In? Am I nuts?

  by jaydoe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am a baptized jw that faded some years back.

  in those days i deeply believed in the org and became disillusioned by some things happening in the local congregation.

  following some research on the net i decided to fade out of watchtower existence because i did not want to keep mixing with false religion (or so i thought at the time).

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  Marcel

  i dont think you're nuts. even if this board is MUCH about the bad sides of the JWs there is still a good side (yes, really). and what you believe is up to you. so if you can live with the arguments against them and you know what youre doing its all fine. thats my believe.
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  New Here, My Personal Story

  by johannahw in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have thought off and on about the jws for years.

  my little sister brenda converted about 30 years ago and raised two sons in the truth as she called it.

  one boy, mason, is still being raised as a jw (he is 15) and my other nephew, aaron, left the organization on his 18th birthday.

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  welcome johanna!
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  What you resist persist?

  by frankiespeakin in

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  2. experiences

  this video claims that jung taught this,, i don't know if it is true, but the idea sounds productive even though it may need a little tweeking:.

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-607695728330080374&q=resist+persist&total=52&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0.

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  Marcel

  to what organization is this video linked to?
  its basically right though.
  
  but if you use this philisophy on JWD we should close the forum and do something else but talking about the religion we think is wrong :-P
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  If JW's message is so urgent and Armageddon is imminent..

  by PopeOfEruke in

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  2. experiences

  then why do the walk so slow when out in field service?????????.

  honestly, i saw some dubs out witnessing yesterday and they have invented the "worlds most incredible slow walk".

  it makes a glacier look like a speeding avalanche.

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  Marcel

  thats typical jw behaviour. pioneers mastered slow walking and visiting distant door-to-door witnessing.
  its in my opinion one of the most impressive proof how "urgent" the message actually is :|
  
  funny, that the JWs are also "united" in this behaviour world wide :-)
  
  i always hated that acting.
  
  if the message were so wonderful and life in spiritual paradise so beautiful, WHY do we need a talk about "looking happy" in field service any other day?
  
  if we learned the truth by honest bible study from the bible itself and its actually OUR belief and not the belief of a doctrine dictating organization, WHY do so many talks remind us to tell the householder that it is YOUR belief and not the belief of JWs...?
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  Encountered Witnesses today at Dunkin Donuts, need some advice please

  by NotaNess in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am behind in composing my "counter-witness" pamphlets that i have been wanting to design, but i've been compiling info still.

  problem is that days like today, when i talked to witnesses in a plaza, i did not have anything to give but my words.

  funny, i gave my business card to them(they were spanish), and told them to have someone call on me, so i can do a study with them.

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  Marcel

  i think there are no top 5. every witness thinks different.
  
  my eyeopeners were:
  
  1. human laws and pharisee-like behaviour
  2. huge discrepance to science
  3. human calculations for 1914 are flawed BIG time, no biblical basis - just jumping around the bible and use some worldy info but not others, even from the same source
  4. blood doctrine in every aspect...
  5. the huge gap between "guided by the holy ghost" and reality. the stupid excuse "imperfect men" when things gone wrong and "faith strengthening support by god" if things went good.
  6. all the prophecies not coming true (except 1914... which is the only one you cant disprove since its invisible. how are the chances that THIS one is correct if all provably were false? this and the fact that the 1914 prophecy WASNT a prophecy but was invented many years after 1914 when it became clear that the old prophecies about 1914 were wrong)
  
  plus many others im too lazy to mention here :-)
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  I don't want to Die in this system!!

  by Save My Soul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have noticed many of my parents friends are slowly passing away.

  the daughter of a po told me he became inactive a year before his death because he never thought he would die in this system.

  he started smoking and watching porn as well.

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  Marcel

  i have to honestly admit that ive never learned to cope with death. im 26 and start thinking about death for REAL. im not afraid of it. no. i was dead already. from beginning of time until my birth. it didnt hurt. its fine to be dead.
  
  BUT! its not easy to see that all your relatives and friends who died along the way *MAY* dont come back. the hope of resurrection is like a fluffy pillow what helps you to cope with OTHERS death. they arent gone forever, you'll see'em again. so the possibility that there *may* be NOTHING more is not easy to cope with if you learned it otherwise from you're earliest childhood on.
  
  it makes almost cry when i recall the glimpse of joy in my grandpas eyes when he spoke about it. *sighs* so much hope... maybe for nothing...