Posts by NotaNess

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Can't have kids while working at Bethel? This is like Anti-family right?

by NotaNess in

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i found out about this a couple years ago.

it was one of those shockers, that is just hard to accept when you hear about it, when you're not in the "truth".. i posed the question, "why can't they just have a daycare system setup.

seems that would be a standard setup", but one witness from bethel told me "cause it's not the responsibility of the organization to raise our kids".

NotaNess

I found out about this a couple years ago. It was one of those shockers, that is just hard to accept when you hear about it, when you're not in the "Truth".

I posed the question, "why can't they just have a daycare system setup. Seems that would be a standard setup", but one witness from Bethel told me "cause it's not the responsibility of the organization to raise our kids"

YOU GOT TO BE BLANKIN' KIDDING ME!!!! Is what I thought.

That's one of the BEST functions of the WTS, is raising KIDS into the same mind control he was pitching to me.., who the heck did he think he was foolin'?

Just another Red-Flag to you lurkers out there. Wake up.

It's part of that "conditional love" system they have finely tuned to perfection.

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Jehovah's Witnesses turned Christian....Post Here

by R.F. in

i would like those of you former jws turned christian to post here.

specific denominations can be mentioned.

i'd just like to get an idea of how many of you there are.

NotaNess

Deliberately Not partaking in the Lord's Supper - Anti-Christ

Turning your back on Christ during Christmas (even thought they don't think they are, my opinion) - Anti-Christ

How can you be Christian with this?

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Seems this Forum was started by Pro-Witness people, what say you?

by NotaNess in

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if you go back to the original posts, it looks a whole bunch different than it does now.

the posts are like being at a sunday kingdom hall greeting session.. anyone care to comment?.

NotaNess

If you go back to the original posts, it looks a WHOLE BUNCH different than it does now. The posts are like being at a sunday kingdom hall greeting session.

Anyone care to comment?

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The Underbelly is exposed...........

by AK - Jeff in

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what proactive things have you done [or intend to do] to warn others about the cult you have escaped?

the unfortunate fact of life is that we tend to look only at our own personal benefits from leaving the cult if not careful.

or we give up after a failed attempt.

NotaNess

I did a talk at my church in our men's group on the JWs. It was VERY interesting. Lasted 2 weeks, and got pretty heated because we had a non-disfellowshipped former elder in the group, and he still held to some of the JW doctrine. We had to end the topic because it was rolling into something different, although we weren't bashing or attacking him, just posing thoughts and questions, that got into heavy debates. I thought it went well. The guys were educated on some JW doctrine and were given insight to try and help witness to witnesses if approached.

Someone mentioned starting a brochure. I have been thinking that a good idea would be to make a small colored insert that exposes the WTS, and insert one into each Watchtower/Awake that you see stacked in those laundry mats, libraries, stores, etc.

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Would you EVENTUALLY be happy in a JW dominated new system?

by JH in

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many here say that they wouldn't want to live in a world dominated by jw's.

i understand.. i know that i wasn't always happy under their rules and way of living.

i don't like going to meetings, especially 5 a week.

NotaNess

I'm choosing the Heaven option, skip the new earth deal. I hear the pizza's always hot and Christ likes to share fine wine.

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After reading many topics.. I'm confused. Is this a JW forum or an ANTI-JW?

by MichaelM in

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i'm studying with a jehovah's witness and it makes quite a bit of sense but i've been reading many topics on here and it seems that i can find every christian denomination and every religion except jehovahs witnesses.

do any jw's actually browse here?

maybe i'm just getting unlucky and picking the wrong topics where everyones discussing about how they used to be jw's.

NotaNess

To stillaexjwelder you wrote:

Their view that there is no trinity is total common sense.

their view that a God of love would not have a Hell Fire of eternal torment is also Total Common Sense.

I have to say that the concept of God working as 3 forms for man's salvation does make sense, even though there is some scripture that seems to clearly separate God, his "active-force" LOL, and Christ, as all being different. Much scripture also shows possible proof of the "trinity" concept and this is why biblical scholars over the centuries have put it into the playbook after much scrutiny and research of the scriptures. What makes more sense is that the majority is more correct than the minority on the subject. But we know that this is where the WTS throws in the "False religion" teachings.

Also, do you think that the God of love who slaughtered men, WOMEN & CHILDREN, in the old testament and the God of love in revelation brutily killing the balance of humans on earth makes Total Common Sense? Just wondering.

MichaelM, - Some of the best research you can do on the Watchtower Society, as some might have already said here, is to look at all the flip-flopping of doctrine and "rules" that have been made by them. They like to call it "old light" and "new light". It's really quite stomach wrenching.

Example: decades ago, the WTS printed that one never gets baptized for or by means of an organization, and is not scriptural.....then later on they changed their "Baptizing Questions and statements" to include the name of their organization and giving faith and commitment to them as a part of the baptizing ritual. It's really rediculous. The person you are studying with is just going to give you tons of excuses, and dancing around the facts to make them look good. He/She will claim that all this stuff we are telling you is just to make them look bad.

Please use your good sense in making the decision to jump head first into this. Witnesses use a line stating "make sure of all things" as the scripture says. Heed that and DO IT.

Welcome to the forum.

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Never a JW, what makes you post here?

by Mrs Smith in

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in some of the post i read, people say that they have never been a jw.

what makes them post on this forum?

my only guess would be because they have family or friends that are.. .

NotaNess

My ID name "NotaNess". Never been, but work with about 7 of them 5 days a week, 8 hour days, every year. They are half of my life pretty much. My goal is better understanding, more insight, compiling info for counter-witnessing, and I just plain love the "e-fellowship" here, although some people will never relate or accept me as they do others here, cause I can't "possibly relate" to being an ex-witness", but I understand that. I will be writing a book in the future of my experiences with them. Should be interesting.

I just bring a different perspective to the table. And I'm a Christian ~~"false religion follower"~~

LOL

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For Warlock:

by SixofNine in

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the other day, i wrote: .

"a good way to do that would be to proactively hold their civilian leadership accountable.

to which you responded: .

NotaNess

Leave it alone guys......enough is enough.

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why dont witnesses celebrate xmas, etc

by aussie in

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i have asked this question but it hasnt really been answered for me, so why do they not celebrate xmas, birthdays, etc.

sorry if its been asked but still curious, dont really understand.. .

NotaNess

However, even they (WTS/Witnesses) admit themselves that the wedding ring and bridesmaids etc are pagan

whether they've acknowledged it or not, they can't get around the facts. even baptism going back to the egyptians.

WTS moto..."Acknowledge some things, ignore others"

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why dont witnesses celebrate xmas, etc

by aussie in

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i have asked this question but it hasnt really been answered for me, so why do they not celebrate xmas, birthdays, etc.

sorry if its been asked but still curious, dont really understand.. .

NotaNess

Yeah, I'm glad to put my 2 cents in.

This is where I feel I have a better perspective, although some may disagree. Never being a witness and made to believe, what I feel to be "opinion & alternative translation" views on these subjects, I have had the option to look at it from a neutral point of view.

I've been challenged with the JW take on holidays, so I have done some research in the past, and I've found as an average summary of Christmas is that #1) if it's called a pagan holiday by the WTS, then you're saying that anything to do with the acknowledgement of Christ and God is pagan. #2) The original goal of the early Churches in creating Christmas, was to bring non-believers to the Lord via connections with existing celebrations of those times ( all that was just being creative in how they did it ). Many programs throughout history have used various creative methods to bring people together for a better purpose. #3) Knowing that it is a holiday in place to give honor, thanks and celebration for the gift of the savior, and choosing to shun it, is turning your nose to Christ period. It's the same thing as saying you're not going to acknowledge him in my opinion(anti-Christ). I've heard the "Celebrating his birth is not scriptural or something he told us to do" til I'm blue in the face. Who cares... what is in scripture is to honor Christ, and that's part of Christmas..totally scriptural. No one is forcing anyone to put up decorative trees and hand out presents and stuff your bellies. You can still acknowledge the gift God has given in Christ without all that commercial stuff during the season if it bothers people so much. What "True Christians" with "Honest heart" (ha, ha) are doing every year is celebrating life in Christ all year AND extra during Christmas which is clearly more than witnesses who are doing it less.

I'd like to note here that witnesses celebrated Christmas at one time, crosses, etc, and this brings me to a nice little Mind Control illustration called the "1 drop of poison in a glass of water" illustration. You ex-dubs know it by heart I'm sure. Not to mention Charles Russell and how this organization started. There is definitely 1 drop of poison in the history of the watchtower organization, so why "touch un-clean things"? Oh, I forgot, the WTS has the patent on hypocrisy.

As for Birthdays, this is my favorite. A couple of idiots kill people on their birthdays, and that's a big basis for staying "clean" from that celebration. Also, if you are someone who feels that getting together with friends and family to give gifts and have a party for someone is honoring a human over God, then yes, that is brain-washing. Having a birthday is not honoring a person. It's just a fun time for recognizing that a particular person has advanced another year in their life, nothing else, and we have added some fun to it. I'd like a witness to show me anywhere in scripture that God doesn't like that.

Ever been to a superbowl party as a witness? I could easily say you were giving honor to a team of 40 men(your team). Putting your hopes in them and not "jEHOVAH" on that day of celebration.