I agree, this is an area they have been very vague about over the past few years. Very strange one would think for a religion blessed with "increasing light" from God.
At one time they were very clear (dogmatic) about what they taught/believed but nowadays I bet most elders would struggle to give an answer on this.
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Just what do JW's now believe about the "UN"? Do they believe its the beast
by booker-t ini am wondering if any posters out there know what do jw's believe about the un now.
do they believe that it is the beast of rev and the disgusting thing mentioned in daniel or do they feel that it is just another organization with faults and errors but can be used in a nice way by jw's?
when i told my mom about the un scandal she said she had heard about it and the elders told her the library card excuse.
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Comments You Will Not Hear At The 2-27-05 WT Study
by blondie incomments you will not hear at the february 27, 2005 wt study (january 15, 2005 issue)
end in 1925. christ completes his conquest.
are jws the only ones who think we are living in the time of the end?.
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Hi Blondie
An excellent review - once again.
I don't know about you but this article struck me as being one of the most 'doctrinally significant' in a long time. Most of the Watchtower articles nowadays are bland and vague but this one is very specific and re-states in no uncertain terms, a number of fundamental JW doctrines.
1. Christ invisibly returned in 1914 - pars 3 to 5
2. The number of spiritual sons of God are limited to 144,000 par 7
3. Satan and his demons are confined to the earth since 1914 - par 10
4. Apostates are a constant threat - par 13
5. Religion will be destroyed by the political elements (subtle change in recent years was UN) - par 16
6. The end is 'soon' - par 16
7. The faithful and discreet slave are not to be questioned - par 21
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Ozzie's Weekend Poll #126 (It's all about feelings!)
by ozziepost inand a great big g'day!
to all those who've joined us in the past week or so, especially those from the land downunder.. how's things with you this weekend?
the weather's gloomy around bethel today (so what's new, you reckon!
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Anyone had a near death experience?
by holly inor anything similar???
the nearest i came was knocking myself out - my life actually did flash before my eyes.
it could only have been seconds before bumping my head and hitting the ground, but i flashed through scene after scene of life events, from childhood to adulthood.
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eyeslice
Certainly there is no evidence that 'nearly death experiences' indicates an immortal soul or after-life.
The mind is a complex thing.
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What's the Watchtower's definition of an "Apostate"?
by JH inif a person doesn't go to meetings nor in the field service, he's considered "inactive".
an inactive person is not an apostate.
if an inactive person joins a forum like this one, he is automatically considered an apostate by the watchtower org.
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eyeslice
The WTB&TS is all about the rules laid down by themselves and the unquestioning loyalty that is expected to be shown by the rank and file. It is NOT about helping people to find their own spiritual path and spiritual enlightenment. Hence, the broad defintion of apostacy is willfully going against anything the WTB&TS teaches or says.
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If you could live to 200 - what would you do with your life?
by truthseeker inif a pill or some treatment was developed to allow you to live to 200 - what would you do with the rest of your life?.
let's just say that you started to get old around 175. you're in your 50s.
would you work longer, enjoy life, help a needy cause or travel?.
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eyeslice
I'd travel more - life is too short to see everything I would like to.
I have been fortunate enough to have travelled, lived and worked in quite a few countries, includeing the US, Europe, Australia, and my favorite place of all, Asia.
Travel, as they say, broadens the mind.
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The GB have a certain malevolence
by truthseeker inthink of all the failed prophecies that the watchotwer propagated.
think of the lies and deceit they have fed us.
yet, they keep finding excuses as to why doctrine changes.
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I am not a great believer in conspiracy theories - perhaps there is no malice.
They are victims just like the others.
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Addictions,, are they caused by a deep unfulfilled need for Spirtuality??
by frankiespeakin ini was watching a video "the wisdom of the dream" volume 3 it's all about carl jung.
in one part of the video it talks about addictions and brings up the fact that one of the men that started aa, was a man who was told by c. jung that the only way for him to cure his addiction to alcohol was for him to have a religious experience,, he was also warn by jung that if he didn't have a religios experience he would never cure his addiction.
jungs notes about this subject says: "spiritus contra spiritum" .
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Not sure about the spiritual need and addictions.
However, there are great problems with the way the WTB&TS deals with addictions. They simply have no idea of the reasons behind why some become addicted to either smoking, alcohol or drugs. Their line is simply disfellowship them.
The most disgusting case I know of was regarding an ex-missionary. He had served as a missionary just after WWII (one of the first in fact). He returned home and served as congregation servant (as they were known in those days) for years. He remained single, looking after his aging mother who was one of the annointed. She eventually died and he was left on his own. He eventually found a companion and married late in life (60's I think) but after a few years she took ill and died. The poor guy turned to drink and was disfellowshipped.
So here is a guy who spends his life faithfully in the borg, compared with the sin of alcoholism, the rest of his life is almost saintly, yet he gets drummed out.
I do not understand it.
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who is who on here??
by holly ini know there are mostly ex jw's on here.
i just wondered how many of you are ex jws, left or df'd, how many are still in but have lost heart?.
are there any jws on here who still believe its all the truth, go to meetings and trust the organisation?.
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eyeslice
I was raised in the truth and stayed with it until a year or so ago when I simply stopped all association with the local congregation - at the ripe old age of 51.
I was an elder, did assembly parts, etc. My family and I were seen as pillars in the congregation. Not disfellowshipped or disassociated - too many family in for that.
I still believe in God and the example set by Christ. Pity the Witnesses do not imitate Christ's love.
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CoC and Search of Christian Freedom came yesterday in the mail
by ithinkisee intime to swallow the red pill.. right now both books remain unopened - sealed in the amazon.com box buried in a backpack in the trunk of my car.
i feel like i'm smuggling drugs or something.. i'll be starting coc tomorrow ... .
this is more of a vanity post than anything.
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ithinkisee
CoC was very nmuch a turning point in my exit from JW Land. I don't know much about your back ground but I was very much a 'lifer' and was seen as a pillar of our local congregation.
CoC opens your eyes to just how much internal turmoil is hidden from the rank and file.
Let us know how you get on with it.
Eyeslice