sometimes when someone new comes on the board and makes a big splash, you wonder if it's all for real.. rollerdave arrived on this board in the last couple months and has lit it up with his insight and wit, including recent experiences dealing with his old family and congregation.. after i pm'd dave here i learned he was indeed the same dave i knew back in a north-side minneapolis kingdom hall oh so many years ago.
we talked on the phone last weekend and actually got together for the first time last night.
as i expected he is just as genuine and witty and fun as he shows on this discussion board.
Well, my sister, Mrs PO has been pretty decent to me so I don't want to put her in a bad position.
Everybody knows who and what I am, so just being larger than life and over the top accomplishes it pretty good.
I do love the idea tho.
How about the plate: R0113R (R zero one one three R)
I'm still pricing louder exhaust, a custom flame paint job, and lighting effects
LOVIN IT!
Now I just need a boat to pull with the beast.
Roller (of the 'conspicuous consumption' sheep class)
sometimes when someone new comes on the board and makes a big splash, you wonder if it's all for real.. rollerdave arrived on this board in the last couple months and has lit it up with his insight and wit, including recent experiences dealing with his old family and congregation.. after i pm'd dave here i learned he was indeed the same dave i knew back in a north-side minneapolis kingdom hall oh so many years ago.
we talked on the phone last weekend and actually got together for the first time last night.
as i expected he is just as genuine and witty and fun as he shows on this discussion board.
Oh, now I am blushing.
LOL.
Thanks Gopher, it was a hell of a nice evening, you are welcome anytime, we always have plenty of steaks, brats, beer and whisky-sevens on hand!
We love having company, laughing and enjoying each other's company.
I do come across as being pretty bombastic, unlikely, and larger than life I guess at times, it's nice for someone to see that having a way with words does not automatically mean that I'm full of shit. Or a complete nutter.
I hope to have an apostafest here at 'The Point' and it will be nice to have another voice on the board who's met me and seen the place.
So, Gopher,
Thanks for coming out, and a wonderful time! And for posting about it!
Roller (of the 'pleased as punch' sheep class)
what you reward you tend to get more of.. what you punish tends to atrophy.. the balance between a good act and a bad one consists of the consequences.. society has found many ways to treat bad behavior.
the worst being imprisonment and execution (if not torture) for high crimes.. but, there is a core philosophy among altruists and christians of a certain stripe who advocate forgiveness.. so, we ask the question : does forgiveness make any sense?.
when we do harm we cause an effect.. the effect injures others or their property.. to restore what is harmed a system of justice has developed to deal with administering the pressure toward restoration (when possible).. fines, community service, reparation for damages all constitute that restoration process.. insurance companies act as brokers in the case of "accidental" causes and effects and their remedy.. but, in the realm of religion the principle of forgiveness rears its ugly head!.
This all makes perfect sense in a world where the cost/benefit analysis is the only measure of things, but I do not believe we live in such a world.
I forgive. I have to.
If I didn't things would eat me up inside like a cancer, and I would kill someone in revenge.
Ok, the ransom and reconciliation; how does it make sense?
Well, Jesus LET HIMSELF be used in this way, he had a right to life he chose not to use for himself, put to purchase us. If you look at it from the perspective of God did this to Jesus, you don't get it. Jesus let it happen.
This one point invalidates any comparison to 'child sacrifice' because the child in question had no more right to life than anyone else and is not given any option it's just thrown to Molech.
So now we are supposed to forgive, but does this mean tho old saw 'forgive and forget'? I know we are supposed to 'love our neighbor' and 'love doesn't keep account of the injury'
So when Brother Pervo performs the 'laying on of the hands' on poor Little Suzie should we just say, 'Brother Pervo, we forgive you, you can pick her up next week same time?'
Nothing exisits in a vacuum, and forgiveness is no different.
We also have a duty to protect our little ones and ourselves, and to submit to Caesar's laws.
So we report Brother Pervo to the proper authorities, because it's the right thing to do, he goes to jail, and we forgive him in our hearts so we can go on with life and not be among the walking wounded.
Not exactly 'forgive and forget.'
A real life example. My home invasion.
I was mad. very mad. mad enough to kill the fellow. But I have certainly done worse thing than this fellow was trying to do to me, and I don't think there should be a death penalty for being young, or a scumbag, so I remind myself that Jesus died as much for the scumbag as he did for me and let him go in an unkilled state. If he's made me, I'd have killed him and still slept well at night.
I survived my life and grew up, agape means he ought to have that chance if I have an option to let him. Forgiveness means recognizing we are both broken and that this is really nothing cosmic.
I certainly upped my security, made a police report, I'm not making it easy for him to come back here and hurt me or mine, but another part of my thinking is, if this fellow is going to ruin his life, it won't be on MY property. I won't let that happen. I had a chance to grow out of being an assheaded thug, I hope he does too.
So here I sit in a fortress worrying about the fellow who invaded it. Forgiveness.
As a christian, it's what I do, who I am, and nobody can take that away from me. If I HAVE TO kill the sonofabitch, I will, but I forgive him for forcing the issue just the same. Otherwise, I would find it hard to sleep at night and I sleep very well, thank you.
As always, your mileage may vary, void where prohibited by law or common decency, please keep your head and arms completely inside this post until it comes to a complete stop, results are not typical.
Roller (of the 'it makes sense to me' sheep class)
some of you know that i had an attempted home invasion back in may that i ran off with my trusty scatter-gun.. what i never bothered to mention is that before that, we had a suspicious red honda suv trolling past our driveway several times a day for a week or so before that.. then the attack.. then we had a watcher down in the cul de sack in front of our place whom we photographed and videotaped as she sat watching our home then trolled past our drive peering up at the house.. then the red suv followed my daughter home.. just lately, my proximity alarms went off and i rushed out to see someone running off our property to a late-model red camaro or trans-am and tearing off.
all i could see was the feet and bottom of the vehicle.. now, today, there is a large, suspicious eurovan parked across the entrance of our driveway for like, thirty minutes with a woman matching the description of the watcher in it.. as soon as a young man who lives here gets into his car to drive off, it tears out of here and can't be found.. we have attracted someones interest.. whoever they are, they are incredibly stupid to be so open about it, to give me any indication my daughter is at risk, to think the only eyes watching them are the ones they can see.. to think i am too dumb or stingy to afford night-vision surveillance, or that i would even hesitate to slaughter them like a pig if they threaten my loved ones.. i doubt my watchers are jwd or even jw related, the watcher has been seen to be smoking.
i wondered if it might be related to the ugliness with my mother's poa, but that has concluded and still i am watched.. there was a bit of ugliness surrounding my niece matilda and how they demolished her mom, catlady.
Hey all.
Technology has been applied, no new developments.
Yes, there is almost always someone here. Armed.
We all have cels, so we keep updated who's where, and if the alarm is armed.
Whoever it is has the stupidity to mess with a house occupied by self-defense advocates, military personnel, and night owls who never shut the place down.
This place is lights blazing total hoppingness almost 24/7. We all have different schedules, you see.
If they are trying to discern any pattern to our schedule, they are in for a surprise.
And if they think they can come in without our being warned, and catch us unawares, they are in for a bigger surprise.
Thanks, all my little JWD'er for your concern and care for ol' uncle roller!
Roller (of the 'healthy paranoia' sheep class)
hey all, fun with covers 5 is complete and here's the link:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzyinboa8zi.
thanks for your efforts.
who do you turn to?
do you go to your spouse?
what if the problem is with your spouse, do you talk to your parents, siblings, work associates, doctor?
As I read through the posts, I was formulating my answer, figured I'd use numbered points, knew what I'd say, yeah, this will be a good one...
Then I read that bikerchic already wrote it!
AWESOME!
I'd like to emphasise that if I have a prob with my beck, going running to others isn't going to solve it, only going to beck will do the trick.
I've never betrayed my beck's confidence, and I won't tolerate my own being betrayed.
We don't have kids together, but we raised my daughter together and there were a few times we had to 'retire to chambers' for discussion before handing down a unified verdict.
We never let the sun set with us in a provoked state, discuss, discuss, discuss!
I'm lucky, I suppose that my beck and I are basically reasonable people capable of rationally discussing things and arriving at an agreement. But if she weren't, I would never have cohabited with her.
Roller (of the 'reasonable' sheep class)
Hey man, sorry it was late, but it WAS a good convo.
I didn't start putting away the whisky sevens til after.
Roller (of the 'groggy coffee drinking' sheep class)
well folks, it had to happen, i returned to the kingdom hall.. or at least to its parking lot.. but not to worry my little jwd'ers, my return was in true rollerstyle!.
i had dropped off my mom a few days previous when she made some remarks that steamed me, i had felt she was talking through her teeth, but i now know i could only have been half right.. she calls and rambles a while, then directs me to keep her teeth safe.
after i got the explanation for this cryptic remark from her i go and investigate..... there, on my bathroom counter, next to the tushie-cleanliness paraphernalia, is an unexplained white plastic container which contained my mother's lower plate.. smelled 'minty.'.
The Aposta-Truck seats three in the fron and four in the back if they're thin, why not?
The more the merrier!
Roller
after very little discussion and even contact with my parents in the last few months, they seemed to decide, either for themselves, or maybe they were put up to it, to confront me on my view of the watchtower society and condemn me, my husband and children to death.....any time soon.....when armageddon comes.
i'm afraid they continually called me an apostate and told me how apostates are , 'evil, horrible, bad and satanic people!
' i asked them if they knew what an 'apostate' was and why they didn't look the word up in the dictionary.
I'm sure sorry ts been tough. I feel for the lost souls, my own mom, bless her nasty backbiting heart, is one just like your parents.
If you REALLY wanna throw em for a loop offer them rides to and from meetings!
Monster truck is entirely optional, but I find it helps.
Rollerdrunk
a brother was on the program for the saturday afternoon session as one of those "life experiences" interviews.
tells the tale about how he left a lucrative, well paying position to "help where the need was greater.
" moved from a major metropolitan area to a congregation in the rurals, was told by managers that the job he was going to was "a dead end".
I always thought there was some pretty fishy shit going on in those phoney baloney ASSembly parts, but never had proof until I met all you guys, I sure am glad I did.
Roller (sheep very drunk in class)