i would like to say to all who care, i am leaving this thread for good.
the bible talks about the unbeliever and those are the true apostates.
even though there are many here who truly love the lord as i do and have shared and taught an awful lot of helpful information to help me fight the battle against false religion, i thank you and pray for each of you.
But to those here who do not Love the Lord know Gods teaches us to stay away from the them
mmetz, it's truly difficult for some to leave a 12th Century perspective behind, even when they reside in the 21st.
With attitudes like the one you express, it’s a miracle infrastructure such as Hospitals, bridges and schools, for example, that require intense trust and co-operation to build and become useful, exist at all.
Flip
the nbc news just showed the latest update on enron.
ken lay will show up...yada yada yada.
the next clip dealt with a man and wife...he worked at enron.
Oops…YK, my favorite contrarian indicator…time to watch when to sell rising gold stocks that have been considered worthless the last couple of years and pick up blue chips at bargain basement prices.
I can only wonder how the WTBTS financial planners are investing their portfolios.
Flip
the nbc news just showed the latest update on enron.
ken lay will show up...yada yada yada.
the next clip dealt with a man and wife...he worked at enron.
I personally lost my 401k and about $15,000 in stock purchases.
You think you feel bad, puffs', beginning at birth, my parents invested 27 years of my life in the WTBTS.
Unless, of course, the same thing happened to you while losing your 401k and the 15 Grand.
Flip
in the interest of getting an idea of what interests people here, use this thread to post what you are into right now.. i am reading.... susan sontag's "in america" ( http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/0374175403/mikepence-20) what an incredible author.
this book won the national book award.
see the reviews on amazon.
Currently reading the leaflet, 'Famous Jehovah’s Witness sports legends'...while listening to David Gray's DVD, 'At The Point'.
Flip
after much deliberation, i decided to go "out" at the end of a public talk.
it didn't go down too well, but at least i was able to give some of my reasons for leaving.. i've put some of the details on my homepage.
i'll update it more when i get the time and the strength.
Since I have left things have been even more turbulent, with severe shunning, and arguements with my wife.
Toe’, I respect the courage you’ve shown, that only a Jehovah’s Witness could understand.
However, it should be emphasized, as your above quote highlights, when and how you did what you did is not necessarily for everyone because of the insidiously destructive mindset the Society imposes on family, friends and associates in the effort to protect its own corporate monolith.
Lest we forget, these guys from Brooklyn have had a long illustrious history of playing hardball with our lives so if you can’t do the ‘time’, think real hard about whether one should do a similar ‘crime’.
Flip
well, i've finally had it.
i'm da'ing myself, along with a piece of my fam.
the unbaptised ones are refusing to go with my father now, and even my still devout father is leaning towards our opinion on things.. there wasn't even any screaming when i called the jw's the great hypocrisy last nite.. i just can allow myself to be associated with them in any way.
Ashi', you and yours have a lot of catching up to do, let it begin today.
Oh...and welcome to the club, you've just passed your initiation.
Flip
i remember one sunday sitting in the kingdom hall and, out of the blue (after looking at one of those most dreadful pictures of armageddon), sincerely asked my mother, "where are we going to go?".
my mother frankly stated, "we'll all just gather here at the kingdom hall and god's angels will protect us!"..
i continued by asking, "what's going to happen to all the dead bad people?".
Welcome Speechless, misnomer from now on!
Flip
in the last 6 months the following has happened.
un involvement rocks the society.
leaks from the elders school.
Nope, the Kids in Brooklyn will be around for along time.
Although comparisons between Enron and the WTBTS are quite similar neither has any evidence of a spiritual or cosmic connection.
However, unlike the trusting shareholders of Enron the WTBTS actually has significant tangible assets that it can rely on during a downturn.
I suspect, even if the 'love of the greater number (Jehovah's Witnesses) should cool off' and leave, the corporation could chug along quite nicely on its assets.
Flip
most of us now laugh at the witnesses, but i think compared to some others they are quite reasonable ( notice i said compared).. so which religion has the most crazy beliefs.. i dont have much knowledge of these religions but i'll mention what i know , feel free to add your own points or correct me if i'm wrong.. i'll start with.. mormons,.
believe jews migrated to america.and that we are angels on earth being tested.. monnies,.
believe rev moon is jesus on earth.they also use (missuse) quatum physics to prove their beliefs.. scientology,.
Which is the most ridiculous religion?
Actually, any religion makes a lot of sense...when you're the one in control of writing the cheques.
Flip
hi all...i've been lurking here for the last 1 1/2 years and enjoy reading this forum every night.
i figured it was about time i spoke up...i da'd myself october 2000 after reading several experiences here on the net and after doing some of my own research i came to the conclusion that i had been "sucked" in.
i have lost a great many friends including my best friend of 18 years who by the way i "converted"..hows that for a kicker?..yep..wants nothing to do with me now...anyways...i just found this article on msn's website and thought you may enjoy reading it... jen.
Jen'
Welcome aboard!
Interesting site, thanks!
My first thought on the BW article was, perhaps we would rather attribute radical life threatening behavior by individuals and groups to brainwashing than having to admit we're surrounded by more pathologically disingenuous aggressive individuals and corporations, religious or otherwise, who're leading the congenital, self-serving, cold-blooded follower, than we'd care to imagine.
At least if they're brainwashed maybe they can be 'fixed'.
Flip
