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  I feel damaged by my experience

  by girltalking in

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  hi to everyone on this board - i have been around reading many of your posts for some time now but have only just felt strong enough to post my own thoughts.

  the watchtower has left me with guilty feelings that i find hard to cope with at times.

  my story in the "truth" started when i was 18 years old.

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  I feel I have no identity.

  You do now!

  Welcome GT, I'll keep listening, if you keep writing like you do!
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  cygnus

  by peaceloveharmony in

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  i just got off the phone with the hospital, cygnus is listed in stable condition after his heart surgery yesterday.

  i will be going to see him later today.

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  Super news about Cyg, PLH thanks.

  However, while visiting Cygnus remember to wear something frumpy. The guys heart condition is only stable.
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  Near death experiences,what do they mean?

  by sleepy in

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  near death experiences,what do they mean?

  anyway there was a resent disscusion of this phenonema on the telly.now i'm not concerning myself here with is there life after death but with this point, when people have near death experiences they are measured to be brain dead, no activity can be measured in the brain, yet many report seeing what was happening to them or voices and visions.if this is true then consciousness is continuing while the brain is inactive.this is not sleep , where the brain is active , but the brain is to all intents and purposes dead.

  if, and i say if this is true, then consciousness is not solely linked to brain activity.that would have major implecations as to the nature of consciousness.where exactly doeas our consciousness reside?is the brain just a means for it to recieve information and in fact consciousness does not exist there but works throught it instead.this does not have to mean we have an imortal soul etc, but for example,maybe hidden dimentions in space could be the source of our consciousness,or someting else, not just the world we are aware of.

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  Nerve impulses at the junctions of an axon terminal to a neuron in an individuals brain are working overtime due to physiological trauma and subsequent shock.

  ... or do persons not yet conceived ponder near birth experiences?

  Edited by - Flip on 10 September 2002 7:1:36
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  SHUT UP AND.................

  by plmkrzy in

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  stop whining!

  ok maybe that is a bit too strong.

  but you read it.

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  Let the newbies do the ranting and raving and the rest of us be supportive rather then blah blah blah I hate this and I hate that and I hate them and I hate everything blah blah blah blah.

  Poignant, to say the least.
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  September 11

  by ScoobySnax in

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  its almost a year now since the horrific attacks on the wtc, everytime i see those news clips of planes smashing in to the trade centre towers i feel sick to my stomach.

  to see innocent people jumping from windows to certain death and the courage of police firefighters and innocent people caught up in this horror truly humbles me as a jw.

  its a terrible world we live in, and though my beliefs about the solution to this differ from most on this board, i sure you like me will take a few minutes out this wednesday 11 to remember so many good people who lost their lives, and those that gave theirs, unselfishly trying to help others.

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  Its a terrible world we live in ...

  With an expressed attitude like your's, I suggest you remain one of Jehovah's Bystanders for as long as you possibly can and stay out of the way of those actually trying to do something worthwhile for their community.

  Edited by - Flip on 9 September 2002 1:36:35
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  Open Letter to the Board

  by searcher in

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  i am not, and never have been a jw.

  my interest in them started 1 year ago when i started to 'study'.

  going on to the internet, and searching ' jehovah's witnesses' led me to this board, (among others).

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  One point you may have overlooked searcher, is to remember that anyone who s spent a fair amount of time as an indoctrinated Jehovahs Witness, as you ll find here, is they ll give the appearance that rejection tends to roll off their backs like water on duck feathers.

  And sometimes it can be difficult for them to recognize when the appearence of rejection is negitively affecting someone else.

  People who haven t had the experience of being a Jehovahs Witnesses generally have a hard time understanding or competing with that kind of behavior.

  So hang in there buddy and cut us some slack.

  Sorry I missed your last post searcher. If you haven ' t already done so, ignore my last crack about cutting us some slack.

  Thoughtful thread by the way.

  Edited by - Flip on 8 September 2002 13:25:41
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  How Have U Changed since Leaving?

  by patio34 in

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  i've been thinking about changes in my world view lately and wonder if others have had a similarly subtle, yet profound, outlook on life.

  not being a jw nor even a believer anymore has made a subtle change that ive observed.

  to begin with, i read somewhere that people tend to bring their own standards to their religion.

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  Once I was able to free myself partially from my Watchtower Society indoctrinated childhood. I eventually learned to try and recognize how not to give respect and support to those who undeservedly assumed the role of authority figure.
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  Marilyn Zweifel, from the why-1914 helpline

  by coffee_black in

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  i just got an email about marilyn z. she will be having bypass surgery this morning at 11:45 (ct)she thought she was going in for angioplasty, but they discovered that she has 4 arteries with 90% blockage.

  i'll keep everyone posted.

  marilyn has helped many of us.... cb

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  I called Marilyn in the early 1990 ' s, before my access to the Internet, to inquire about her services. Marilyn was my first contact on the road to recovery from the Watchtower Corporation.

  She discreetly sent me resource information and I still have it all in my desk file today which helped me greatly even when my transition was made into the instant informational age of the Internet.

  My earliest issue of a hardcopy, ' The BRCI Help line News ' is April 1994. It could have been the 80th anniversary issue commemorating ' 1914 ', for all I knew. But why bother, that ridiculous date would all but be de-emphasized by Jehovah's Witnesses during the 21 st. century anyhow.

  Thank you Marilyn, get well and be well ... from another anonymous voice.

  Edited by - Flip on 7 September 2002 19:12:50
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  Barely hanging on

  by joelbear in

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  i am just barely hanging on to my sanity again.

  going through one of my terrible.

  panicky periods.

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  Matthew 7:12 is the simplest most straight forward ethical lesson available. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

  I believe that the word "others" applies to every being that is not ourselves. I define this as the difference between the self and the unself. I believe in a phenomenon which I call natural guilt. This guilt is inborn in us in order to counteract the selfish struggle for individual survival.

  - joelbear -

  Joel, it may take time but work hard at getting through this difficulty, being allowed to mull over your perspective is important to me.

  Flip
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  Calgary girl ... struggle for life (help!)

  by Simon in

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  email received from lawrence hughes, the father of the girl who is desparately ill from lukemia and has been involved in the recent court case with the watchtower...

  simon ,.

  my daughters health has improved because of the last chemo treatments.

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  I have to defend MIA.

  Just as with the cult leader David Koresh, it appears Mia has developed the acute ability even at seventeen to be able to stand on her own indoctrinated perspective in the midst of most arguments.

  Where defense is required, is the Watchtower Corporations methods of convincing children of Jehovahs Witnesses who even threaten to come to an alternative conclusion that this means the possibility of the child losing an important social support. Or worse, children simply believing contrary to the Watchtower Corporation, means a real and everlasting 'death'.

  What of the other Mias and Mikes? Who will defend the children whove not necessarily embraced Watchtower indoctrination but have been put in this inescapable position by being admonished not to independently and openly investigate questionable interpretations of the Watchtower Corporation, all for the sake of not losing the Corporations precious buildings to a multitude of legal actions.