Posts by Francois

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Candid picture of Dave--aka 7-006

by VeniceIT in

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i found this picture and thought i should share!!!.

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ven

Francois

Notice to VeniceIT:

Since you seem to be interested in something in an older guy, I am hereby volunteering for a platonic relationship: play for you, tonic for me.

You may send the nudie pictures in any format attached to email, jpeg is preferred, but .gif will work too.

I'll email you my physical address to send the underwear that Dave sent back. Just make sure they're suitable for framing. Any solid color will do, but I tend to shy away from prints like leopard and tiger.

Please provide 60 days notice of your intent to go forward so that I can increase the dosage on the heart medication and bolster my supply of nitroglycerine tablets. And my oxygen tank is running low, too. Need to take care of that, y'know.

You will be thrilled, THRILLED, to learn that I don't have any of Dave's scruples. Or anybody else's. Let the good times roll.

Francois

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Who Will Cry For the Babies?

by Farkel in

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here's something i found on kent's site just now.

i wrote it december last.

i didn't know that he purloined it but then again, he purloins lots of stuff, and furthermore i don't save most of what i write.

Francois

Good work, Fark. That's a well thought-out piece. You could turn that into a nice four-pager and use it in the door-to-door work with the new religion announced recently on the board.

Important note: You don't have to do anything to copyright your stuff, at least not with any gummint agency. Copyright automatically inheres in the fact that you wrote something. Some writers put the following on each page (which I think is a little over-kill):

or they will use on the cover page:

Or some variation of this.

And that's all you need to do. Legally, you don't have to do anything. You have copyrights because you wrote it. Same applies to computer programs.

Emails & bb stuff? Weeeeellllll. I dunno. In a piece like you publish here, I think if you announced you considered a work copyrighted and put the copyright notification at the top of the file, I think you'd be covered. Just a guess on that one.

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WTB&TS As Moral Compass

by Francois in

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incredible tale of jaw-dropping, eye-popping dishonesty from the borg!.

my father, who continues to be in the borg, managed the construction of one of those 48-hour wonders several years ago.

just a few months later, someone had a "welcome to the neighborhood bonfire" um, using the new kh as the bonfire.. the new hall was, of course, insured and application was duly made for payment so that another soaring, magnificent testament to man's spiritual longing could be constructed.. well.

Francois

LDH and others:

The events I described took place in Savannah, Georgia around 1984.

It should be clear from my post that, no, the congregation didn't know the Borg was involved until after the fact.

AND, as has been pointed out, laws differ state-to-state, and there is no guarantee that JWs must be registered, New York style, so that their tracks CAN be traced. I mean, if they were out to be sneaky, and they were, why should they do anything that would make it easy for someone who has a modicum of experience in the insurance biz track them down? Inconsistent.

If anyone can get the real goods on 'em, I'd applaud you.

Francois

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Growth ..proof of blessings!

by MacHislopp in

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one of the recent claim from the wts was published in the.

w. 15.01.2001 p. 12 :" millions of kingdom proclaimers - a mighty nation -are now associating with more than 91,000 congregations in 235 lands around the earth.. unquestionably, this confirms that jehovah is speeding up the ingathering of true.

worshippers before the outbreak of the" great tribulation," now so near at hand.-.

Francois

By the "ain't we got so many members?" metric, they have a long way to go to get as blessed as:

800 Million Catholics
1,000 Million Buddhists
900 Million Hindus
15 Million Southern Baptists
25 Million Sihks
1,100 Million Muslims
AND
100 Million Atheists and Agnostics

The path that leads to righteousness may indeed be narrow and crooked, but it is wide enough for ALL who wish to travel there.

Franoics

7

Christianity and human rights

by PerFect in

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a: human rights, articel nb 1 all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.

.... b: christianity, dogma nb 1 those who belive in jesus christ will be saved .

i cant get a and b in agreement.

Francois

Personally, I think there's a great deal of misunderstanding of what it means to "believe in Jesus."

Fundy christians believe that you must believe in the concept of original sin; believe in the atonement doctrine; you must believe that Christ was sent here to propitiate an angry god, an offended lord; believe that Jesus died for your sins; the entire magilla. And you must verbally demonstrate your belief in these items on a regular basis and that you drag your carcass down to the church each time the door is open. Best if you tithe as well.

And in fact, it seems that the majority of christians feel these are the basic requirements necessary to secure for one's self the benefits and blessings of Christ's life and death here, and so to be saved.

On the other hand, believing in Jesus may also be taken to mean that you: love God with a whole soul; that you love your neighbor as yourself, and that your entire life is obvious proof and sure evidence that you are thus dedicated to these beautiful commandments of love.

By this definition any sentient person on this planet is able to look foward with assurance that they are "saved" and that eternal life will be theirs.

By this definition, and in his practice of life, Gandhi - a Hindu - is one of the greatest christians who ever lived. And so too Lao Tzu. And sincere religionists of whatever philosophy.

Of what benefit is it to claim to be a christian, to claim to “believe” in Christ; to give a tenth of the mint and the cumin, to dance attendance on each and every church program; to go to tent revivals and sing at the top of your lungs, shattering glass at a range of a hundred yards; to be in church Sunday all day long - and then sin like a son-of-a-bitch all week long?

I think believing in Jesus means living your life as he would: loving god (by whatever name) with a whole soul; by loving your neighbor (whatever religion); and by going about doing good in your life.

As for me and my family, we’ll put our money on that last example.

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WTBS Made a Huge Mistake!

by patio34 in

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i was tempted to write the wtbs today.

i'm reading a loaned copy (from my younger sister, 'waiting') of ray franz's "in search of christian freedom.

" it is a masterful point-by-point refutation of the wts doctrine.

Francois

Ray has really performed a great public service with his books. It takes time for society to make changes in itself, but it does happen, and perhaps the end really is near for the Evil Empire. Its true, too, that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. When enough people make enough noise, the WTBTS will slouch into its own self-imposed end.

And something else. I met Ray when he moved to Winston, GA and was in the end stages of completing his home there. Worked with he and a few friends putting together some meetings of ex-JWs and other interested parties. The first meeting was held over in Alabama. Anyway, I had a chance to deal with Ray on a close personal basis for a few years back in the late eighties, and the point I want to make is that he is such a mild-mannered, gentle, honest, spiritually oriented and motivated guy, its hard to believe that the Borg did not listen to him when they had the chance.

It's obvious that Ray doesn't have a selfish bone in his body. And it would be hard to believe that he would ever be motivated to seek personal promotion or "glory" for himself or for his ideas. And yet the bozos at Borg headquarters allowed their own selfishness, their own ambition, their own hard-heartedness to allow this gem of a guy, endowed with no small intellect, to escape them. When they lost the services of Ray Franz, they lost the last, best, hope of turning around and sinning no more.

Think about it. Where would the JWs be today if they had sincerely adopted Ray's interpretations into the body of their beliefs; if they had ceased defending the indefensible, if they - in short - had gotten real and acknowledged the validity of the concerns of its members? It's strange to think about it in these terms, but the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses could have evolved into quite an attractive bunch. But they didn't, of course. It's hard to get people who think they speak for God to acknowledge the validity someone else's viewpoint. And its gonna cost 'em. Big.

Just musing.

Francois

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The "Godly" Quality of Hate

by Francois in

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since the wt has recently been encouraging development of the "godly" quality of hate, i wonder if the "godly" qualities of ferocity and stupidity can be far behind?.

more evidence that the entire jw phenom consists of ignorant, gullible, primitive-minded people worshipping a primitive, savage, ancient and outdated concept of god.. jws constitute the crazy aunt in the basement of the human family.. francois

Francois

Well, Oz, the other day a few posters told me that Francoise was feminine, and that Francois was masculine. Since I gave back all the French I took, I am bowing to the superior knowledge of those folk.

I've asked Simon to change my Username so I can keep my number of posts going and get to the Jedi class that much faster.

I don't frankly know what the point is of this godly quality of hate bullshit is. I suppose it illustrates that the bible can be used to prove any damn thing you want. The idea that hate is a godly quality would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic and dangerous.

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Apostates exposed...

by TheApostateAK in

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this email was intercepted last saturday afternoon.. > -----original message-----.

> from: "governing body" < [email protected]>.

> to: [email protected].

Francois

You know, if the creativity of the people who inhabit this board on a regular basis were harnessed and concentrated on a specific project, great riches could be attained.

Think about it. Think about a radio comedy along the lines of "A Prairie Home Companion" on NPR in the USA. Radio comedies are relatively easy to write and produce. I'm sure it could be done. And we would be doing it from points all across the globe. It's never been done to my knowledge. Its very uniqueness of concept would get the attention of the merely curious; its quality would attract financial backing and a continuingly growing audience.

You guys are really talented. Now add a little focus and direction and damn, the possibilities are exciting.

Watcha think?

Francois

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Eight questions about Nathan Knorr

by Skimmer in

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i have some questions about nathan knorr, the third president (1942-1977) of the wtbts.

accurate answers are welcome.. 1) how did it come about that knorr was made president of the wtbts in 1942 after the death of joseph rutherford?

rutherford as we know was an usurper inheritor of russell's wtbts in late 1916 after russell went to his reward.

Francois

I heard a story somewhere, maybe it was here, that Knorr had secret meetings with each new group of Bethelites in which he supposedly taught them how to take a leak without touching their, um, wee-wees. Nice trick. Seems he thought it was best not to even touch the damned thing.

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MDS, bjc2012 et. al.

by kes152 in

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if my "not being df'd" stumbles you, you don't have to worry about that for my "hour" has drawn very close.. aside from that, my lord wants me to say something specifically to you and those who are with you (your "household").. he said to tell you:.

mds, stop this!

stop what you are doing.

Francois

Another nut to whom "God" directly "speaks."

Sigh.