I think the JW's are wrong about this one, just as they are about many things. It was a cross.
Maddie
and what would you say about the book often referenced by the society as a backing for the stake theory, the non-christian cross by j. d. parsons ?.
you can also download it here if you prefer.
i know that book was written in 19th century so i hope that won't be used as an argument against it after all sir isaac newton's principia was written in 1687 and we aren't holding that against it either.
I think the JW's are wrong about this one, just as they are about many things. It was a cross.
Maddie
i wonder if anyone has any ideas on this.
who, what is behind the wts.
is it just men genuinely making mistakes but are sincerely trying to serve god?
I think the answer to this is YES
Maddie
are you completely jw free?
Son, Dil and grand daughter
Maddie
i have a question:.
how long do you stay in love?
for those of you who are married, are you together "just for the kids"?
The initial feeling of being ïn love" is when you think the person is perfect, when this stage passes and you start to see the flaws but you still love them is the "real love".
Maddie
i watched the horizon programme on bbc last night and it was an eye-opener.
a scientific study listed britain's 20 most used dangerous drugs in order.
not only did it show that the old classification system of illegal drugs is not a true representation, it shows that so-called legal drug such as alcohol and tobacco are high up on the list above some illegal drugs and result in many more deaths.
I watched the Horizon Programme on BBC last night and it was an eye-opener. A scientific study listed Britain's 20 most used dangerous drugs in order. Not only did it show that the old classification system of illegal drugs is not a true representation, it shows that so-called legal drug such as alcohol and tobacco are high up on the list above some illegal drugs and result in many more deaths. In Britain, and number 5 on the list is alcohol resulting in 40,000 deaths a year and 180,000 hospital admissions. Tobacco is number 9 and the yearly death toll is 114,000. Cannabis (currently Class C) is number 11 on the list, worse than current Class A Ecstasy and LSD. The worse drug is Heroine with 300,000 users and killing 700 a year. Cocaine is next with 780,000 users and killing 214 a year.
The ratings are not assessed on the number of deaths only, but also other factors such as how addictive the drug is and mental and physical illness resulting from its use.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/drugs/
I wonder if the WT will have some "new light" on alcohol and decide to ban JW's from using it at some stage?
Maddie
took awhile didnt it?.
at what point did you ever look in a mirror and thank yourself for working through this?
it took me about 5 years after i finally realized the wt was a sham.
No I don't really, but some days are better than others.
Maddie
i would say a large majority here can relate to suicide.
at what point did you just gulp it all up and started all over?
for me it was when i learned that i've lost my family completely, or i would've had to become a complete hypocrite to return to a lie.
There was a time but something kept me going.
Maddie
I have experienced being df'd and been through the psychological torture of being shunned. At the time I was very sick and my life had become unmanageable in every way. I didn't attend a JC and all I remember is that I found out when I was shunned by a JW in the street and spoke to my son about it. Anyway although I still believed they had the "truth" I couldn't face going back but began the long road to getting well again.
As time went by I was getting my life back together but my great sadness was that my son had shut me out of his life. I wrote to him often and told him how much I loved and missed him but to no avail. He never answered my letters except to tell me that it was all about loyalty to Jehovah. I really tried to accept it and go on with my life as I had found happiness with a very special man, but the loss of my son felt like a bereavement that I couln't get over because he was still alive. I had counselling to try and help and would feel better for a while, but it didn't last. If I had known that JWD existed then it would of made a lot of difference because I didn't know anyone who felt as I did.
To cut a long story short I eventually went back and was reinstated and it wasn't easy. In fact it was a very humiliating experience to go through but at the time I didn't know all the things that I do now about the JW's so still thought of them as being God's Organisation
Now I have left the borg, although not da'd officially yet and have told my son and family the reasons why. What will be will be.
Maddie
i just received a message from one of my closest friends.
we grew up together and were/are as close as brothers.
his father was like a second dad to mehe died two days ago after two weeks in the hospital.
I agree with what you said but one day they will have to pay for all the hurt they have caused.
Maddie
had a really interesting experience i thought some here might like to hear about.
my jw ex-wife and i still own a house together, (she lives in it and a non-jw adult son is living there with her temporarily), not to mention the three kids and seven grandkids we share, so we interact quite a bit, e-mailing, calling or seeing each other a few times a week or so.
i'm still doing some remodeling to our house.
I am glad that she was able to break free from the borg mind-control enough to feel the need to opologise and speak to you. I felt emotional just reading your post because of the tragedy of what the borg has people behaving like.
Maddie